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Old March 27th, 2010, 04:15 AM   #921
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Epic European road trip

How feasible would it be to accomplish this drive here? How much would it cost, how long would it take, how likely am I to be robbed and/or killed?
Note: The link takes you to a URL of 1,331 characters, so it would be an epic link wall if I posted the entire URL.

It wouldn't be extremely difficult to drive directly from Dublin to Cardiff, so I figured I'd make it a bit more difficult. (And, as if that's not enough, I live in Virginia and I've only been to Europe once.)
Start: Dublin, Ireland
Edinburgh
London
Paris
Zaragoza
Madrid
Malaga
Barcelona
Toulouse
Marseille
Le Havre
Amsterdam
Copenhagen
Oslo
Helsinki
Warsaw
Berlin
Krakow
Munich
Geneva
Rome
Prague
Bucharest
Athens
Finish: Cardiff, Wales
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Old March 27th, 2010, 04:26 AM   #922
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^I wouldn't do them in that order or you'll be driving in circles!
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Old March 27th, 2010, 11:23 AM   #923
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I have read about road trips of this distance, so it should be possible. I've read about an American guy who drove all lower 48 states in 16 days, which was over 20,000 kilometers of driving. I also read about two Russian guys who drove from Moscow to Magadan and back, a distance of 22,000 kilometers in 5 weeks.

The real question is if you are able to drive, say, 1,000 kilometer for 20 days in a row, and if you have the finances, since it'll cost you a great deal of fuel and tolls. For example, if you have a car that runs 15 km / liter, you'll end up consuming 1,333 liters, at € 1,30 per liter, that is €1,733 in fuel alone. Add a few hundred in tolls and you're way over € 2,000 for travel.
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Old March 27th, 2010, 12:15 PM   #924
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It's a hell of a trip, but not impossible to accomplish. As Carldiff already said, the trip could be optimized in order to avoid circles. The only "tricky" part is crossing the the Baltic states, there is - as far as I know - a small risk of being robbed. But as long as you stay on main roads, this will not be of a problem I guess.

Also pay attention that if you want to pass through the Kaliningradskaya Oblast' (the small piece of Russia between Lituania and Poland), you need you'll need a lot of paperwork for a transit visa and other formalities for your car. It would be advisable to stay within the EU.
Chances of getting killed are low, unless you are a dangerous driver of course
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Old March 27th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #925
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I wouldn't go that way around either. Your full trip is 16,351 km as the crow flies between cities.



By taking them in another order, I've got 11,544 km.

Of course, you would need to take ferries from Italy to Greece, from Helsinki to Stockholm and from Rødby Færge to Puttgarden (or Gedser-Rostock). Also, you could take the cruise-ferry from Oslo to Copenhagen.

I have, however, managed to squeeze in two more stop. The first one is Budapest. You don't want to miss this beautiful city, and it would be perfect between Bucharest and Krakow. The other one is Stockholm, but that is mainly because you will be going through Stockholm anyway, on your way to Oslo from Helsinki.

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Old March 27th, 2010, 12:24 PM   #926
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I have, however, managed to squeeze in two more stop. The first one is Budapest. You don't want to miss this beautiful city, and it would be perfect between Bucharest and Krakow. The other one is Stockholm, but that is mainly because you will be going through Stockholm anyway, on your way to Oslo from Helsinki.

Errr... I missed Geneva. It's a boring city anyway, so no harm
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Old March 27th, 2010, 12:32 PM   #927
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i planned similar trip, but later i realized that splitting that huge trip is much wiser and better choice. so make 4-5 trips instead of that huge one and it will be much better and easier to perform i know that Europe is challenging to drive, but think smart
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Old March 27th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #928
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I finally took the time to make a decent write up of our road trip through 16 countries in 24 hours last summer. We visited Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Italy, San Marino, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Germany, France, Luxembourg, Belgium and The Netherlands. The write up can be found at http://sites.google.com/site/espacer...es-in-24-hours.

The route we drove was:

That is just amazing
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Old March 27th, 2010, 09:37 PM   #929
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I didn't exactly organize it with simplicity in mind... which is largely why I listed Cardiff right after Athens. Quite the contrary - I had two goals - one, to find a particularly difficult route around Europe, and two, to possibly break the Google Maps direction-finder. I'd tried to find direct routes from Edinburgh to places in Asia such as Beijing or Tehran, but the longest direct drive I could find was from Edinburgh to a city in eastern Turkey, but it just said "route not found" so I don't consider that a success in breaking the Google Maps direction-finder.

I'd thought I'd listed Budapest in an earlier list, but probably that was wrong since I'd already listed Bucharest and the names are quite similar...

And the chance that I'll actually attempt a drive like this, even just within the USA, is extremely improbable.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 12:53 AM   #930
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As for the Spanish part, I'd recommend this:

Irún>Burgos>Madrid>Málaga>Barcelona>Zaragoza>Pau (France)

The route is ~200 km longer but it's worth it. The route from Pamplona to Zaragoza and then to Madrid is quite boring IMO, however from San Sebastián to Burgos you have a beautiful landscape with mountain passes, tunnels etc.
Also the A-1 from Burgos to Madrid is better than the A-2 from Zaragoza to Madrid (which is by far the worst autovía in Spain). Plus, you cross the Pyrinees (Huesca>Pau) on some beautiful mountain roads (take a look) and you don't take the French A61 twice.

This is my proposal (vs. your proposal).

And if you don't care driving 22 km more you could pass near Córdoba, and then taking the A-45 (newer and better than the A-44 Jaén-Granada) and you won't drive twice on the A-92. link.

This is how it looks:
[IMG]http://i44.************/10hu15z.jpg[/IMG]

It's 234 km (145mi) longer than your route but you drive on much better roads and see more beautiful landscapes
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Old March 28th, 2010, 12:54 AM   #931
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I want to drive A-23 Zaragoza - Teruel once. I believe it's one of the best desert drives in Spain.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 01:45 AM   #932
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I've made these two routes, you miss Athens in both though (as well as in the map you posted).

Option A: 15,174 km (9,428 mi)
[IMG]http://i43.************/2d77mlz.jpg[/IMG]

Cost: 1138.05 € only in fuel, considering:

-A Diesel car that consumes 6 litres per 100 km (the Citroën C5, an average sedan, makes 4.5 litres per 100 km in non-urban roads).

-An average price of Gasoil of €1.25/litre (it's ~€1/litre in Spain, but it's more expensive in most of Europe).

Chances of being robbed: In every gas station everytime you fill up, our gas prices are astronomic

Chances of being killed: Very low if you drive carefully.

Option B: 15,892 km (9,874 mi) including Geneva-Amsterdam.

[IMG]http://i43.************/vex5wg.jpg[/IMG]


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I want to drive A-23 Zaragoza - Teruel once. I believe it's one of the best desert drives in Spain.
Actually it's not a desert - it's just arid: http://maps.google.es/maps?f=q&sourc...2,5.35,,0,8.13

Well, maybe it is a desert for a Dutch

If you want desert drives, you have Monegros, Bardenas (where our Area 51 is ) or Tabernas.

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Old March 28th, 2010, 04:23 AM   #933
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Hi guys, let me show you my last few road trips in the USA.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depends from the point of view) most of the pictures are not stricte road photos. But there are some among hundreds of others
Here is overall map:
Red color indicate trips where I drove myself
Blue color shows cross country trip where unfortunately I was only navigating It was before I got my driving licence.


And here are the pictures:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Geogrego...eat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/Geogrego...eat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/Geogrego...eat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/Geogrego...eat=directlink

Enjoy!
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Old March 28th, 2010, 06:08 AM   #934
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As for the Spanish part, I'd recommend this:

Irún>Burgos>Madrid>Málaga>Barcelona>Zaragoza>Pau (France)

The route is ~200 km longer but it's worth it. The route from Pamplona to Zaragoza and then to Madrid is quite boring IMO, however from San Sebastián to Burgos you have a beautiful landscape with mountain passes, tunnels etc.
Also the A-1 from Burgos to Madrid is better than the A-2 from Zaragoza to Madrid (which is by far the worst autovía in Spain). Plus, you cross the Pyrinees (Huesca>Pau) on some beautiful mountain roads (take a look) and you don't take the French A61 twice.

This is my proposal (vs. your proposal).

And if you don't care driving 22 km more you could pass near Córdoba, and then taking the A-45 (newer and better than the A-44 Jaén-Granada) and you won't drive twice on the A-92. link.

This is how it looks:
[IMG]http://i44.************/10hu15z.jpg[/IMG]

It's 234 km (145mi) longer than your route but you drive on much better roads and see more beautiful landscapes
I went on a trip to Spain once, in March 2008. It was the only time I've been to Europe. We landed in Madrid, then went to Cordoba, Sevilla, Granada, Benalmadena, Valencia and Barcelona. Some members of my group, the ones from Oregona and California went on a side-trip to Morocco; I and the rest of the Virginia crew stayed behind on instructions from the school. (It was a school-sponsored trip.) I'd love to do it again, and it'd also be a great deal easier than doing the whole of Europe all at once. My favorite parts of the drive were the mountains south of Madrid, the desert in the east, and the Sierra Nevada in the south, and I found all the cities entirely awesome (except in Sevilla you can't rent a bike just for an hour, you have to rent it for at least a week)
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Old March 28th, 2010, 12:57 PM   #935
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Athens - Korinthos - Tripoli, Greece

(From April of 2009)

Haidari - Skaramagkas:








Aspropyrgos bridge:








in Elefsina


















Elefsina tolls:










Kakia skala tunnels:










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Athens - Korinthos - Tripoli, Greece

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I love Granada, that place rocks!
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Old March 28th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #938
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If you go this way through Poland You will be forced to use very bad roads.

While if you choose this variant, you will go mainly through highways.


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this is quite a detour.
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I love Granada, that place rocks!
I do too - AWESOME views from the top of the mountain.

We have a bunch of great views around my city too, but that's just a fact of life living in a city in the mountains with a LOT of hiking trails around. But the view of Granada certainly tops any view around Roanoke (mainly because it's an urban area and not a rural one)
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