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Old July 1st, 2014, 12:27 AM   #1741
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Why would you go to a "Borat-country", if you don't like it?
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Old July 1st, 2014, 12:34 AM   #1742
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I kinda understand being angry at people cleaning your windscreen and then asking for money (though it does not bother me, I'll just give them nothing). However, he says they did even give him a map and some helpful information. I mean, that's not even begging. It's kind and should be treated as such. Getting mad at this is just a "hater" thing. The comment about the country being a 2nd-class one just confirms it.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 12:51 AM   #1743
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Maybe spelling "Swinoujscie" correctly wore him out?
Świnoujście. Just copy-paste it.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 01:10 AM   #1744
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The "windshield cleaning" problem is also common in Eastern Europe, was wide spread in Romania for a time, now not so much anymore. I saw it also in Italy and other places. It's of course annoying. If they at least clean it properly, then be it, but as long as it doesn't happen at every corner.
In Montreal, Canada it is common as well in downtown areas... street urchins arrive at the red light with the dirty water and squeegee and try to "clean" the window, but just make it dirtier Once one was going straight for me so I just hit the gas and went through the light If you recognize them early you can make them **** off in various ways (like yelling at them when they approach)
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Old July 1st, 2014, 11:08 AM   #1745
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I kinda understand being angry at people cleaning your windscreen and then asking for money (though it does not bother me, I'll just give them nothing). However, he says they did even give him a map and some helpful information. I mean, that's not even begging. It's kind and should be treated as such. Getting mad at this is just a "hater" thing. The comment about the country being a 2nd-class one just confirms it.
Well. I actually wanted to give them some change. I had about 1.50 euros in my wallet, which I offered them for the information and the map (which is free). But that wasnt good enough for them and they kept asking for a 10euro bill, they were hostile and rude. So I gave them nothing.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 11:40 AM   #1746
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Why would you go to a "Borat-country", if you don't like it?
Comparing a modern country like Poland with Kazakhstan is stretching it a bit far as well. But then again, so is filming ethnic minorities for kicks...

So... NordikNerd... How old are you?
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Old July 1st, 2014, 11:58 AM   #1747
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Well 10€ is a little to much though...
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Old July 1st, 2014, 12:03 PM   #1748
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Well. I actually wanted to give them some change. I had about 1.50 euros in my wallet, which I offered them for the information and the map (which is free). But that wasnt good enough for them and they kept asking for a 10euro bill, they were hostile and rude. So I gave them nothing.
Oh, that's very rude! One thing is begging, another ask for a specific (high) amount. This doesn't justify prejudices against the whole country, too.
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Comparing a modern country like Poland with Kazakhstan is stretching it a bit far as well. But then again, so is filming ethnic minorities for kicks...

So... NordikNerd... How old are you?
That's Astana, the capital of the Borat country. It doesn't look like the village in the movie (that was actually shot in Romania).




Very modern and futuristic but "fake" just built to satisfy the ambition of the dictator and show to the world how his country is modern. Something like Ashgabat or Pyongyang.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 04:00 PM   #1750
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Don't like it, looks like Las Vegas; I prefer Almaty. Also climate sucks.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 04:08 PM   #1751
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Well why did you go there Nordik if you can't take at least some trouble?

I used to live in Ystad and there is problems with the ppl arriving with the ferry almost every day.
Many ppl in Ystad including politicians want to close all ferry lines except those to Bornholm DK, thus ending E65.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 04:15 PM   #1752
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Between that and the French politician who was recommending yesterday that French people root for Algeria over Germany, I think it will be a long while before the EU looks anything like a real federal nation-state. Which may or may not be a good thing...none of my business.
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Well why did you go there Nordik if you can't take at least some trouble?

I used to live in Ystad and there is problems with the ppl arriving with the ferry almost every day.
Many ppl in Ystad including politicians want to close all ferry lines except those to Bornholm DK, thus ending E65.
Hopefully the Fehmarnbelt tunnel will reduce the need of those ferries. But suppressing ferries? Can the government do that since ferries are private? And it's for traffic problems in Ystad or just to isolate Poland?
The E65 won't end, however, it would be rerouted through the Sassnitz - Trelleborg ferry.
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Between that and the French politician who was recommending yesterday that French people root for Algeria over Germany, I think it will be a long while before the EU looks anything like a real federal nation-state. Which may or may not be a good thing...none of my business.
I think that those nationalisms are extremely stupid in 2014, but it's not that I wish for the United States of Europe soon. I think only a small minority of Europeans would like a single European state.

EDIT: I translated the article with Google. It seems that they want to build a ferry terminal outside the city, not to suppress ferries.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 04:50 PM   #1754
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And it's for traffic problems in Ystad or just to isolate Poland?
Isolate Poland? Reminds me of "Fog in English Channel, Continent cut off".
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Hopefully the Fehmarnbelt tunnel will reduce the need of those ferries. But suppressing ferries? Can the government do that since ferries are private? And it's for traffic problems in Ystad or just to isolate Poland?
The E65 won't end, however, it would be rerouted through the Sassnitz - Trelleborg ferry.

I think that those nationalisms are extremely stupid in 2014, but it's not that I wish for the United States of Europe soon. I think only a small minority of Europeans would like a single European state.

EDIT: I translated the article with Google. It seems that they want to build a ferry terminal outside the city, not to suppress ferries.
Those politicians wish to only allow the Bornholm traffic to continue in the outer harbour when the inner harbour is converted to a marina style area, that would end E65 in Ystad..or Bornholm I guess.

As custom service cost increase thanks to new expensive tech(truck x-ray etc) and better roads is required to move the (often drunk) truckers away from civilians, it makes sense to collect all the traffic on the E6 in Trelleborg.
Poor me, I live here and it's already bad.

I think this is probable to happen sooner or later, Ystad is a upper class cute town with little need for a few ferry jobs.
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If they would cease the ferries from Poland to Ystad, traffic would just switch to alternate routes, to Trelleborg, or via Malmö.
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Yeah I also think more trailers only ferry traffic would be great, could load them on trains already in Europe or in Trelleborg/Ystad then cheaply deliver to GBG/STHLM/Oslo.
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Between that and the French politician who was recommending yesterday that French people root for Algeria over Germany, I think it will be a long while before the EU looks anything like a real federal nation-state. Which may or may not be a good thing...none of my business.
Actually such provincial mindsets are probably more indicative of a federal country
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Vis-à-vis outsiders, perhaps. But I haven't heard of any U.S. state or Canadian province talking about closing its borders to a neighboring state or province.

At least in the U.S., and probably within English Canada, what I call the "feeling of belonging" is national rather than regional. I can move to California or Florida tomorrow and feel more or less at home. I think it'll be a while before that's true in Europe.
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Vis-à-vis outsiders, perhaps. But I haven't heard of any U.S. state or Canadian province talking about closing its borders to a neighboring state or province.

At least in the U.S., and probably within English Canada, what I call the "feeling of belonging" is national rather than regional. I can move to California or Florida tomorrow and feel more or less at home. I think it'll be a while before that's true in Europe.
I think it's silly to compare the USA or Canada in Europe. The first two are countries, although bigger than most countries in the world, but with a common history, culture and language (with the notable exception of Quebec).
European countries are more different each other in term of culture and language, and they had very different history and traditions in the past centuries. EU and USA could never be the same.
Now we are living in peace and democracy for almost 70 years (25 years in the East), we are economically better than most of the world, we can speak freely, vote a party or profess a religion without the fear of being arrested, we have free market between EU members, we can travel between each other without bureaucratic hassles, etc...
Why should us became the United States of Europe? We manage quite well without, EU integration is OK, but we don't want to level all differences and local peculiarities.
I think it's normal that a German feels different than a Briton or an Italian, that's nothing wrong with that. I actually like the fact that we have different cultures, languages and realities withing a day-long car or train distance.
What is wrong is the extreme nationalism and xenophoby, the hate of someone or something just because is foreigner.
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