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Old July 10th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #1801
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My next roadtrip is going to be to Szczebrzeszyn !

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Old July 10th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #1802
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In this case, given the history I can perhaps understand the Polish insistence on Szczecin, but from a practical and commercial point of view they should really embrace the historic name "Stettin" internationally, as that is something people will remember and connect with the rich architecture of this beautiful city.
Um...

Like Danzig and Breslau and Posen and Budweis and Brünn and Pressburg....

Seriously, as time goes on, the "historic" name will be known to fewer and fewer people.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:00 PM   #1803
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Den Haag or The Hague? München or Munich? Milano or Milan? Beograd or Belgrade? Athina or Athens?
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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #1804
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Den Haag or The Hague? München or Munich? Milano or Milan? Beograd or Belgrade? Athina or Athens?
If spoken and written in English then The Hague, Munich, Milan, Belgrade and Athens.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #1805
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My point exactly. So why bother with SZZSC etc? Polish is a very difficult language. So why not stick with some of the old German names internationally and perhaps change a few things to make it easier in English?
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Old July 10th, 2014, 11:45 PM   #1806
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My next roadtrip is going to be to Szczebrzeszyn !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szczebrzeszyn
Maybe you will gather enough courage and will eventually drive farther south of that!
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Old July 11th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #1807
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Yes. The Gdansk/Gdynia area has improved lately and it's advertised quite well by Scandlines.
Why Scandlines? Karlskrona-Gdynia route is operated by Stena Line (and Gdańsk-Nynäshamn by Polferries)

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My next roadtrip is going to be to Szczebrzeszyn !
you should visit also Jazgarzewszczyzna
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:26 AM   #1808
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however in my hometown, which also has a ferry connection with Sweden, I see increasing numbers of swedish people traveling to Poland. I'm not sure why they are coming here, but it seems that our shops offer good prices for swedish customers so you can find swedish car plates in a parking lots at shopping centers more often than a few years ago.
Swedes have never been able to resist the siren song of the Polish lands, for hundreds of years

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Um...

Like Danzig and Breslau and Posen and Budweis and Brünn and Pressburg....

Seriously, as time goes on, the "historic" name will be known to fewer and fewer people.
My Polish-born father always calls all of those places those names (and Stettin too, though sounds almost same ) Well, okay, maybe not Brno (this one is probably even worse for an anglophone to say than Szeczcin), but it's rare for Brno to come up in conversation for people who don't live anywhere near there or Ostrava either

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Den Haag or The Hague? München or Munich? Milano or Milan? Beograd or Belgrade? Athina or Athens?
The Hague sounds like a disease. 's Gravenhage is much better

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Old July 11th, 2014, 03:17 AM   #1809
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Swedes have never been able to resist the siren song of the Polish lands, for hundreds of years



My Polish-born father always calls all of those places those names (and Stettin too, though sounds almost same ) Well, okay, maybe not Brno (this one is probably even worse for an anglophone to say than Szeczcin), but it's rare for Brno to come up in conversation for people who don't live anywhere near there or Ostrava either
My American-born father had some interesting names learned from his Polish-born father for "Russians." Don't know if he had any for "Swedes." ;-)

And that's "Mährische Ostrau" to you!



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The Hague sounds like a disease. 's Gravenhage is much better
's Gravenhage, pronounced properly, sounds like a disease of the throat. I mean the actual pronunciation sounds like you have one.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 03:52 AM   #1810
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My next roadtrip is going to be to Szczebrzeszyn !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szczebrzeszyn
Which is famous for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Po...85szcz_-_2.ogg
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Old July 11th, 2014, 04:38 AM   #1811
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Well, okay, maybe not Brno (this one is probably even worse for an anglophone to say than Szeczcin), but it's rare for Brno to come up in conversation for people who don't live anywhere near there or Ostrava either
You mean the village on the left by the right turn on the way to Vienna? .

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And that's "Mährische Ostrau" to you!
Ostrava as it is now did not exists back then. It were several cities/villages.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 05:28 AM   #1812
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Well, I know I've seen "Mährische Ostrau" on an old map somewhere....
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Old July 11th, 2014, 12:43 PM   #1813
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Question is who needs more that ferry connection? It would be Sweden that is cut off from the rest of the contintental Europe.
From looking at the traffic it's 90% European traffic on these direct to Europe ferry's and as far as I know our real trade surplus is done outside Europe so technically it would be Europe losing the most.

But there is also many negative aspect with these ferry's, specially in transportation many local company's/drivers lose out completly as they have to follow strict local laws.. or actual follow laws, while European traffic is kinda dodgy.
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So you guys need better marketing-because Ystad is completey unknown among Poles (probably ecxept truckers)
Nah this is like the coast of England, it's great for natives that "get it" but ads little to foreigners...Ystad = Swedish Penzance(look it up).
+It's x3 times more expensive then Polish coast, why would U come here?
+Already there is no more rooms to rent or tables to eat at in July/August.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:33 PM   #1814
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Well, I know I've seen "Mährische Ostrau" on an old map somewhere....
Yes. Besides Moravská Ostrava, there was also Slezská Ostrava and other villages or cities. Moravská Ostrava was already made of several independent villages cities. The place grew very fast in the 20th century.

Mährische means Moravian as it was on the Moravian side of the river Ostravice. Moravská Ostrava and Slezská Ostrava are still the names of two city districts.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #1815
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According to the article you linked, the ferry transport to Poland is expected to be increasing in the future. So something has to be done.

Ystad is closer to Poland & Bornholm than Trelleborg and an obvious starting point for the ferries in that direction.

The ferry traffic is of national interest so the question is how much can the local residents of Ystad decide about it ?
It seems like the eternal argument: We need a port or a motorway but not in my backyard !

Ystad is as you say the gateway to Österlen which is upscale and the ferries
do not fit into that image.

Closing the ferry-traffic in Ystad would mean increasing traffic through Trelleborg. I recently drove through here and this is also a quaint little town
with a big ferry terminal in the centre. What do the people of Trelleborg think about Ystad rejecting the ferry traffic to Poland ?

The arriving ferry passengers in Ystad create revenue for the local trade. Closed ferry traffic would result in reduced income for local shops, gas stations, restaurants. Who would profit from the ferries disappearing ?

The port of Sassnitz, Rugen Germany also handles a lot of ferry traffic across the Baltic Sea. This port used to be located in the heart of the city Sassnitz but a newer and bigger port was built south of the city in 1991.

Maybe its time to build a new port east of Ystad this would also reduce the traveltime for the ferries to Bornholm.
It's already happening, the new line run by TT-lines from Poland to Trelleborg is doing great, in 10 years Ystad will only have the ferry to Bornholm.
http://www.trelleborgsallehanda.se/t...-tar-fart.html
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Old July 28th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #1816
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Easier to pronounce for non-Polish citizens.
The international name for Szczecin is Szczecin since it was included into polish state. I don't understand why everything needs to be made easier for "non-polish" citizens? I have never heard complaints from such regarding our nomenclature, except for native-english speakers. This is the proper name, deal with it.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #1817
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The international name for Szczecin is Szczecin since it was included into polish state. I don't understand why everything needs to be made easier for "non-polish" citizens? I have never heard complaints from such regarding our nomenclature, except for native-english speakers. This is the proper name, deal with it.
So... How is life in Danzig treating you?
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Um...

Like Danzig and Breslau and Posen and Budweis and Brünn and Pressburg....

Seriously, as time goes on, the "historic" name will be known to fewer and fewer people.
Still, in some languages many city names are translated. In Norwegian, I'd be talking about "Praha", "Köln" (sometimes "Køln") and "Wien", for instance. Those would be "Prague", "Cologne" and "Vienna" in English, of course, and that's just the way it is. It's not me trying to offend Czechs, Germans and Austrians when writing or speaking English...
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Old July 29th, 2014, 12:39 AM   #1819
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Of course. But I'm a native speaker of English and I don't think of the town in question as "Stettin." Granted, it doesn't come up all that often....
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Old July 29th, 2014, 01:50 AM   #1820
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Thanks for so much talk about Szczecin; now I know it's in German pronounced Stettín, and not Stéttin, as I thought.
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