INFRASTRUKTUR | Norske jernbaner | Railways

[KiwiRob]

I'm almost begining to come around to HSR in Norway, so long as it's propper HSR ie speeds over 300kph, anything less then that and I don't see the point, it will still be quicker and easier to fly.

[IceCheese]

Tønsbergs blad has been in Berlin to check out the new trains. Watch video and pics here:

http://tb.no/nyheter/det-blir-en-hel...rdag-1.5651828

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by KiwiRob

I'm almost begining to come around to HSR in Norway, so long as it's propper HSR ie speeds over 300kph, anything less then that and I don't see the point, it will still be quicker and easier to fly.

According to the report 300 - 350 km/h is the most likely solution. Hopefully they will go for the highest speed, and make sure trains doesn't stop to often.

[manrush]

With the new FLIRTs arriving on the rails in 2011, are the old Type 69 trains finally slated for retirement?

[kjetilab]

Not quite yet. Many of them will, in fact, be upgraded and renovated.
Of the 50 new trains, half will be used for local traffic, but mostly on the longer lines (e.g. not Asker-Lillestrøm) as far as I understand.

[IceCheese]

I think most of these trains are needed as a supplement. NSB will increase frequency on many lines.

And the upgraded Type 69s are good. I like them better than the Italian ones...

[manrush]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

I think most of these trains are needed as a supplement. NSB will increase frequency on many lines.

And the upgraded Type 69s are good. I like them better than the Italian ones...

Maybe the Type 69s could get a fresh rebuild in the same way that the CAF 440 trains were completely renewed.

from this:
image hosted on flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/...52f1582c51.jpg

to this:
image hosted on flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/...d22ae2.jpg?v=0

[IceCheese]

I don't care about the exteriors as long as the interior is great. One example is the Swedish long distance pass.wagons which has been upgraded. On the outside the only thing they've done is paint them black, but on the inside they're top modern.

This is old and new type 69, though. To be precise, 69-46. These trains are as good as new. (all copyrights to Jernbane.net and photographers as mentioned in pics)

Old:


New:


New (but not finished) interiors:

[Mulefisk]

Ugh... That paint job is so terrible. I wonder whose idea it was to paint the doors in that horrible orange color. It's probably to help people with reduced vision see them, but still, it just takes so much charm out of riding the train.

The trains on Bergensbanen also use the same color scheme now. I like to get a little excited if I'm going on a long train journey, but these trains just make me feel like i'm going to spend the next 6 hours inside a moving reklameplakat.

[Ingenioren]

I like the orange colours, and also i get pleasently surpriced everytime i get to ride one of those trains, the seats are by far the best from all the local train types. Altough there always seems to be some un-regulars going into those Orange-doors wagons without a valid ticket, risking a fine if there is a control.

[GlennHGSD]

The redesigned 69's kinda look like older and redesigned Japanese trains ( Japan has other passenger trains than just shinkansen) so i like em, thery're kinda cool

[manrush]

Perhaps the 92s and the 70s could also undergo a redesign.

I also do like this redesign of the Type 69, used in the Bergen-Arna local service.

http://www.arnaguiden.no/images/arnastasjon.jpg

[IceCheese]

New edition of Jernbanemagasinet is again out, and this time it's a focus on one of (many) poposals for HSR-lines from local/regional organisations. Jernbaneforum Sør wants a coastal line from Porsgrunn to Kristiansand, which they compare to recently completed "Botniabanan" in North-Eastern Sweden.

http://www.jernbaneverket.no/PageFil...uage=no#page=3

[manrush]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

New edition of Jernbanemagasinet is again out, and this time it's a focus on one of (many) poposals for HSR-lines from local/regional organisations. Jernbaneforum Sør wants a coastal line from Porsgrunn to Kristiansand, which they compare to recently completed "Botniabanan" in North-Eastern Sweden.

http://www.jernbaneverket.no/PageFil...uage=no#page=3

It appears to make sense, considering that the proposed Porsgrunn-Kristiansand corridor would serve more people than Botniabanan does.

[Tohaki]

The headline is a little misleading though, "Vil ha norsk kystbane". That made me at least think of the Stavanger-Bergen-Ålesund-Trondheim line that we are never going to get.

[Mulefisk]

Nevermind

[Hansadyret]

"En innkorting av reisetiden på Bergensbanen fra vel seks timer til ca fire timer kan gi mellom 30 og 85 prosent flere passasjerer på ulike strekninger. Størst passasjerøkning får strekningen Oslo – Hønefoss hvor reisetiden vil bli redusert med over en time.
Dette viser en rapport fra TØI som har vurdert hvordan ulike reisetidsinnkortinger vil påvirke passasjertrafikken."

I wonder if Ringeriksbanen ever will get built, they have talked about this project for about 30 years.

[Grauthue]

Originally Posted by Hansadyret

"En innkorting av reisetiden på Bergensbanen fra vel seks timer til ca fire timer kan gi mellom 30 og 85 prosent flere passasjerer på ulike strekninger. Størst passasjerøkning får strekningen Oslo – Hønefoss hvor reisetiden vil bli redusert med over en time.
Dette viser en rapport fra TØI som har vurdert hvordan ulike reisetidsinnkortinger vil påvirke passasjertrafikken."

I wonder if Ringeriksbanen ever will get built, they have talked about this project for about 30 years.

In this context I would like to link in another old article from Jernbaneverket where they claim they could get the travel time from Bergen to Oslo down to 4 and a half hours by spending 7 bn NOK, and down to 4 hours with just some more work (unspecified cost).

http://www.jernbaneverket.no/no/Pros...u-milliarder2/

Although a proper HSR would be übercool, I must admit that I have some doubts to the cost efficiency. Maybe we should aim for about 3.5 hours travel time instead. This would mean an average speed (including stops) of about 135-140 km/h. And with 3.5 hours you would still take a significant share of travelleres from the air traffic market. The cost would almost certainly be much, much lower than that of a proper HSR all the way.

[Hansadyret]

Originally Posted by Grauthue

http://www.jernbaneverket.no/no/Pros...u-milliarder2/

"Ringeriksbanen står nå, sammen med utvidelsen av Ulrikstunnelen, planmessig foran det som i Jernbaneverket kalles en KS1-vurdering, det vil si en kvalitetssikringsprosess.
-Tiltakene er allerede godt planlagt og kan startes opp raskt, men det er selvsagt opp til våre politikere å avgjøre om dette skal prioriteres, sier Lars Christian Stendal."


Well bergensbanen seems to bee out in the cold, even the short parsell with doubletrack through Ulriken is delayed and delayed, now until 2013 at the earliest. Before the last elctions the "redgreens" stated that this project would start up soon, for those who believed it.
"Modernisation of Bergensbanen" has been used as one excuse to stop a new cartunnel through Ulriken for ages. Now the cartraffic is reaching the levels that it can't be stoppet anymore and i think local politicians should push hard for it for trafficsafetyreasons.

[IceCheese]

A seminar giving status on the HSR project will be held at the Hotel Opera December 16th, open to the public.

Vi arrangerer høyhastighetsseminar 16. desember
Tema vil være erfaringer fra andre land, og en foreløpig oppdatering fra konsulentfirmaene som har startet arbeidet med å utrede høyhastighetsbaner i Norge. Høyhastighetsutredningens seminar er åpnet for alle, men påmelding må skje innen 10. desember. Påmelding og mer informasjon her!

Seminaret vil være åpent for alle. Siste frist for påmelding er 10. desember, men det kan bli fullt før det. Seminaret arrangeres på Thon Hotel Opera i Oslo. (Meld deg på her)

For full program, read here: http://modul.event123.no/jbv/pchsr/program.cfm

To attend, follow the link on this site: http://modul.event123.no/jbv/pchsr/