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Old February 17th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #1981
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After reading a few of the comments for the opposition to this development, are they saying Melbourne shouldn't grow & develop & should remain as is despite population increase ? Do they expect the urban sprawl to continue ? The lack of logic and foresight of some of these NIMBY's is scary.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 03:36 PM   #1982
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I think you'd be better off sending any east-west rail link across to Hawthorn to address the greater capacity issues beyond there.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #1983
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Strange that it includes the Albert Road precinct where the planning minister introduced a 60m hieght limit.
This Mega CBD plan makes up for that little dozzy, now just imagine the new veiw over to the west from the Shrine, clusters of 100+ storey towers streaching out over and behond, yea, this plan of Matt Guy makes up for that 10 fold..
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Old February 17th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #1984
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Mary Drost is a slut, that is all...
She even confirms Macleod's accusation of ''i want a backyard so every one else must want a backyard'' by saying ''no one wants to live in Manhattan'' Stupid bitch, she proberbly killed her husband with boredom.. Ffck OFf

The hatred i had for this country when i was a teenager is starting to reserface again now with all this NIMBY shiit coming in from every direction, this is just getting worse and worse.
The country is worse off for having such angry, aggressive people like yourself in it.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #1985
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lol:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ca...217-1teqt.html

Call to surround Melbourne Uni with towers
Jason Dowling City Editor
February 18, 2012
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THE chairman of Melbourne City Council's planning committee has called for 50-storey towers to be built around Melbourne University because the university does not pay rates.

Cr Ken Ong was reacting to the announcement by Planning Minister Matthew Guy that the CBD could be massively expanded with more high-rise buildings stretching from Carlton to Melbourne Grammar on St Kilda Road.

Cr Ong said his first reaction when he learnt of the plan yesterday was: ''Good, I'll put 50-storey buildings all around the university campus.

''The University of Melbourne is a business that doesn't pay rates to the tune of something like millions a year,'' he said. The city could recover its lost rates by building tall buildings that pay them, he said.

''If you are running a business you pay rates, the university is using a very old act of federal Parliament to say we don't pay rates even though we turn over hundreds of millions a year and buy up more properties in the city and then claim exemption status for all of them,'' he said.


Standing on level 55 of the Rialto Tower yesterday, Mr Guy launched his vision for the expansion of Melbourne's CBD.

''Melbourne is never going to be the city it was in 1960, it is changing, it is growing, it is maturing - we clearly have problems with accommodating thousands upon thousands of people in the outer urban areas and in our activity areas only, we need to look at all options to grow our city sustainably,'' he said.

The plan could see an expansion of high-density living beyond the Hoddle Grid, Docklands and Southbank, to St Kilda Road in the south and towards Melbourne University on the northern side, Mr Guy said. ''This proposal could cement Melbourne as the best CBD for growth and investment opportunity in Australia,'' he said.

Lord mayor Robert Doyle embraced the proposal as a bold and visionary long-term plan for Melbourne.

''For me it is very sensible to say that the CBD will be the existing Hoddle Grid, plus Southbank, plus Docklands, plus Fishermans Bend, plus E-Gate, plus St Kilda Road - that makes eminent sense to me,'' he said.

But many councillors were livid about learning of the plan through the media. ''We [councillors] should have been consulted before any of this was released,'' Cr Jackie Watts said.

Greens member for Melbourne Adam Bandt said planning should be more than a focus on height.

''We're already cramming people into the inner city without providing enough community facilities, affordable housing, public transport or open space,'' he said. ''People need to be at the centre of any urban planning decisions, yet they are conspicuously absent from the minister's vision.''

Jennifer Cunich from the Property Council of Australia said the vision was exciting and ambitious.



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as a side note that's pretty shit - Doyley should get on the blower to Joooool-ya and get UniMelb's act changed
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Old February 18th, 2012, 01:12 AM   #1986
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The country is worse off for having such angry, aggressive people like yourself in it.
Oh my, ive been served.. lol

Ps, how is that AGE peice of scare mongering above, now Melb Uni will be hemmed in with 50 storey towers, laughable../.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 02:09 AM   #1987
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If you have high density you don't have to spend as much on transport infrastructure, sure you will need more but better than extending it outward in every direction for 100 km. If 50 story buildings were built around Melbourne Uni the place wouldn't have a literal wall around it and be plunged into darkness. With planning and good design density and taller buildings will be OK..........I hate the mentality of full on doom and gloom. Some people only see black and white and choose the extreme of their argument. Same for everything I guess ?
The Age is renowned for negative inflections to any development unless it's an Arts project etc.........
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Old February 18th, 2012, 04:05 AM   #1988
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I think the jibes about Melbourne University are related to long standing tensions between the City of Melbourne and the University because they don't pay rates and have shown little regard for Council planning and heritage objectives.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 04:29 AM   #1989
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I think you'd be better off sending any east-west rail link across to Hawthorn to address the greater capacity issues beyond there.
Hawthorn doesn,t have a capacity problem... Growth isn,t expected to be significant in that area compared to other train lines because eir isn,t much new urban land available for develomeny... If anyi buldi the four track to the city for short starts and reopening a finders street direct platform will be all that's required in the medium termfor burnley group.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 06:24 AM   #1990
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Relatively speaking, Glen Waverley/Ringwood/Alamein are more in need of capacity than South Morang/Hurstbridge.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #1991
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Back to a previous topic - 447 Collins Street.

Looks like they are removing every piece of marble from the building facade. Last couple of weeks they've completed the podium section to the rear, have now started scaffolding parts of the main building's facade.

The rear was easy - standing in a cherry picker-type platform, they jack-hammered it off and let it fall in small pieces into a receiver also jacked up so it didn't drop far.

The rest of the building will be fascinating as to how they remove it safely, and then what they replace it all with!

Looks like it's going to take a very long time.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:41 AM   #1992
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Just a quick question to anyone who may know. I have been trying to find out what is happening with the Argus building, corner elizabeth and Latrobe. Everyone i talk to seems to think thats it being done up however what for varies from source to source. Is there a legitimate answer?
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Old February 20th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #1993
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it was bought by an Indian run education provider about 2-3 years ago with the intentino of being their new headquarters.

since that time Indian student numbers have dropped significantly and the GFC has probably hung around and been more serious than might have originally been expected.

hard to know if the education centre will actually get off the ground...
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Old February 20th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #1994
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Just a quick question to anyone who may know. I have been trying to find out what is happening with the Argus building, corner elizabeth and Latrobe. Everyone i talk to seems to think thats it being done up however what for varies from source to source. Is there a legitimate answer?
I believe there's also been a problem with the cost of removing asbestos in that building.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 01:25 AM   #1995
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I did a tour of the construction site and that is correct. I think it was being refurbished by La Trobe University, but they baulked at the ever increasing asbestos removal costs.
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Thanks guys! I tram past almost every day and am continually amazed by its sheer bold presense on the street. Really do hope that it is eventually fixed up, however the sheer size of it obviously is a hinderence...and the asbestos. Damn
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Old February 20th, 2012, 02:43 AM   #1997
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heres the article on the sale to the Indian guy. 2010 actually.

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The Australian reports Mr Ghale will spend about $50 million on the renovation, which should be completed by the end of 2011.
obviously that didn't happen!

http://www.realestatesource.com.au/l...5-million.html
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #1998
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Alan Davies at The Urbanist has a great write up on the expanded CBD announcement here:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbani...-a-lot-denser/

Interesting to note that in the final count 46% of the 7000+ Melbournians polled on the Herald Sun article said they approved of Mr Guy's plan.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 02:49 PM   #1999
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Meeting Matthew Guy on Tuesday!

No further comment...yet!
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wow! how did you tee that up! i wanna meet him!
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