General Melbourne related banter

[manila_playa87]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/...-1226031639447

Jeff we need u back running our great state once again!!!

[manila_playa87]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ci...331-1cng1.html

[tower_dan]

totally agree with the GP article, each event on their own might not seem like muchn, but if we start thinking that way we lose our "Major Events Capital" there are reasons cities like Melbouren get big events, they prove they run them well, start giving them away and you lose that card thay you can play when bidding for things like, Olympics, festivals etc (and yes im aware not everyone is a huge fan of the olympics but its an example)

and If Ted thinks trying to control the population is at all within his grasp hes crazy. rather then limit your supply of tax revenue make allowances for them to live WITHIN established areas and stop spending billions on extending infurstructure to low density areas! I cant see Melb holding this growth much longer with all the projects to increase capacity on PT/resourses beinig on the chopping block. RRL, Metro cross city tunnel, N/S pipeline only being used in emergencies... its like pulling out the bottom card from a house of cards, its not going to stay standing!

[John_Proctor]

it ddin't say anywhere in the article that Ted wanted to control population growth?

It also intimated that the growth reported made it more likely RRL would be built to serve the growing communities particularly west.

N/S pipeline isn't needed we literally spent $1 billion to have that available just in case we ran out of water in the 24 months between it opening (early last year) and the desal opening (late this year).

I can live with the desal plant as a genuine long term risk managemetn strategy for water supply, the N/S pipeline was a way for wasteful melbournians to steal water from the country. They'd have been better of spending that $1 billion on upgrading carrum and werribee to potable water supply. if things got desperate we could have drunk it (and been happy too) if things didn't get desperate at least the water being pumped out at gunnamatta and onto vegetables at Bachus would have been cleaner.

[Grampians]

Originally Posted by tower_dan

totally agree with the GP article, each event on their own might not seem like muchn, but if we start thinking that way we lose our "Major Events Capital" there are reasons cities like Melbouren get big events, they prove they run them well, start giving them away and you lose that card thay you can play when bidding for things like, Olympics, festivals etc (and yes im aware not everyone is a huge fan of the olympics but its an example)

and If Ted thinks trying to control the population is at all within his grasp hes crazy. rather then limit your supply of tax revenue make allowances for them to live WITHIN established areas and stop spending billions on extending infurstructure to low density areas! I cant see Melb holding this growth much longer with all the projects to increase capacity on PT/resourses beinig on the chopping block. RRL, Metro cross city tunnel, N/S pipeline only being used in emergencies... its like pulling out the bottom card from a house of cards, its not going to stay standing!

I have lived overseas for the last 20 years, since 1990. The special events in Melb (esp GP and tennis) are a massive and powerful exposure that has utterly transformed foreigner's knowledge of and sentiment towards Melbourne. Unless we are talking about yobbo circles, Melbourne is at least as known and recognizable to the average foreigner as Sydney once was. i would go further to say that the Melbourne "brand" is clearly and convincingly coming through, and impressing all who see it.

[tower_dan]

Originally Posted by John_Proctor

it ddin't say anywhere in the article that Ted wanted to control population growth?

It also intimated that the growth reported made it more likely RRL would be built to serve the growing communities particularly west.

N/S pipeline isn't needed we literally spent $1 billion to have that available just in case we ran out of water in the 24 months between it opening (early last year) and the desal opening (late this year).

I can live with the desal plant as a genuine long term risk managemetn strategy for water supply, the N/S pipeline was a way for wasteful melbournians to steal water from the country. They'd have been better of spending that $1 billion on upgrading carrum and werribee to potable water supply. if things got desperate we could have drunk it (and been happy too) if things didn't get desperate at least the water being pumped out at gunnamatta and onto vegetables at Bachus would have been cleaner.

the ARTICLE doesnt specifically say Ted wants to cap growth, but its well known that the libs DO want to control it in some way shape or form.

[melbournee12]

^ I thought I read that both parties were in favour of a "bigger Melbourne"

[loafingoaf]

Originally Posted by John_Proctor

N/S pipeline isn't needed we literally spent $1 billion to have that available just in case we ran out of water in the 24 months between it opening (early last year) and the desal opening (late this year).

I can live with the desal plant as a genuine long term risk managemetn strategy for water supply, the N/S pipeline was a way for wasteful melbournians to steal water from the country. They'd have been better of spending that $1 billion on upgrading carrum and werribee to potable water supply. if things got desperate we could have drunk it (and been happy too) if things didn't get desperate at least the water being pumped out at gunnamatta and onto vegetables at Bachus would have been cleaner.

It's important to remember that N-S pipe was only one element of the Foodbowl modernisation policy. The savings and efficiencies that have come from the refurb of the irrigation system up North have been enormous, and put Victorian irrigators at the absolute global cutting edge. Even irrigators that loathe the pipeline readily concede that.

The point was always that the water savings from that strategy would be delivered largely to Melbourne, so it's not really accurate to call it theft.

[redbaron_012]

Everyone should realise any Government policy is aimed at getting re elected. They all speak for the long term goals ( through their eyes) of any city yet it's hard to commit big bucks beyond a reasonable time they expect stay in office. Truth is any Government pisses off many people till everyone thinks time for someone else to have a go..... A few politicians get bold but must wonder if the opposition will see the completion or destruction of their dream ? The labor Government saw the new Museum at Southbank stopped during construction and turned into the Exhibition Centre when Kennett got in. I bet there must be many projects swinging during changes of Government.....even multi million dollar things like Miki and the desal......It was the best of times...it was the worst of times
PS I have decided that Footscray Road should be a wide tree lined promenade...a boulevard for Supertalls.......300, 400, 500 m. + buildings along here wont disrupt the CBD skyline......easy really : )

[John_Proctor]

Originally Posted by loafingoaf

It's important to remember that N-S pipe was only one element of the Foodbowl modernisation policy. The savings and efficiencies that have come from the refurb of the irrigation system up North have been enormous, and put Victorian irrigators at the absolute global cutting edge. Even irrigators that loathe the pipeline readily concede that.

The point was always that the water savings from that strategy would be delivered largely to Melbourne, so it's not really accurate to call it theft.

but that would ignore the fact that the foodbowl modernisation should have happened anyway and is actually better policy without the the N/S pipeline...

[John_Proctor]

Originally Posted by tower_dan

the ARTICLE doesnt specifically say Ted wants to cap growth, but its well known that the libs DO want to control it in some way shape or form.

My impression of it (not saying you aren't right just what I've read into the things being said) is that the liberals want to have more controlled development but not necessarily control population growth.

they would say that labor had an 'anything goes' policy on property development as evidenced by 'tall' proposals dotted all over inner melbourne.

The Liberals will hope to say by the end of their first term in government that growth is focussed on 'brownfield sites' (like E-Gate) and specific activity centres with less happening on random tram corridors and activity centres (like some of the taller developments up on Lygon and Nicholson Streets to the north, and probably things like Mitcham Towers (even though it never got built).

[Eureka!]

If Ted scraps Myki on any lines I'm picketing parliament. Pathetic threat aimed at appeasing riled up HUN readers.

[redbaron_012]

Originally Posted by Eureka!

If Ted scraps Myki on any lines I'm picketing parliament. Pathetic threat aimed at appeasing riled up HUN readers.

I have a great idea...Eureka is going to save Myki

[MelbourneOnTheRise]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hi...ctap.html#poll

Fellow yimbies, get on this poll and vote!

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

Done

Hopefully you guys get a better result than Barangaroo...

[Melb_aviator]

This is not going to end well.

Frankly it is going to be a real battle to get anything of decent density or height on there.

Lol @ labor complaining about the minister discussing a masterplan, and linking it to something suspicious. Love the hypocrisy really, given their track record. I hope that the govt would be involved, along with the council, to prepare a masterplan that can be put to the people in the best possible way. In that regard, the details that it looks like it has been happening is a good thing.

The consultation process will just be a big whinge fest, so good luck developers on this.

[manila_playa87]

Remember racing clubs like moonee valley and all have a lot of power and can easily use their influece to get these towers up so this is a really good chance...

[John_Proctor]

this is a really good chacne because Moonee Valley Council supports development of this nature in Moonee Ponds as well. it also fits perfectly into the 'strategic sites' mantra that Minister Guy has been putting forward.

Moonee Ponds already has on of the tallest suburban buildings in melbourne (sans South Yarra) on Ascot Vale Road just near the junction. (see link below - immediately in view tall building (15/16 storey), then pan around and see the wasteland that is Moonee Valley racecourse - ripe for development)

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&s...51.33,,0,-1.71

[Dockside]

And so far the poll is in our favour with 59% saying we need more towers.

[Melb_SuperTall]

No: 60% Yes: 40%.