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Old April 25th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #481
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Old April 28th, 2013, 05:54 AM   #482
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Old April 28th, 2013, 05:58 AM   #483
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Old April 30th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #484
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Old June 21st, 2013, 11:41 AM   #485
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Old June 21st, 2013, 07:56 PM   #486
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Without this "bridge" towers looked like сhinese high-rise blocks, much better, than now!
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Old August 8th, 2013, 05:59 PM   #487
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The Builders of This Spanish Skyscraper Forgot the Elevator
Jamie Condliffe/Gizmodo

The Intempo skyscraper in Benidorm, Spain—standing proud in this image—was designed to be a striking symbol of hope and prosperity, to signal to the rest of the world that the city was escaping the financial crisis. Sadly, the builders forgot to include a working elevator.

In fairness, the entire construction process has been plagued with problems, reports Ecnonomia. Initially funded by a bank called Caixa Galicia, the finances were recently taken over by Sareb – Spain’s so-called "bad bank" – when the mortgage was massively written down.

In part, that was a function of the greed surrounding the project. Initially designed to be a mere 20 storeys tall, the developers got over-excited and pushed the height way up: now it boasts 47 storeys, and will include 269 homes.

But that push for more accommodation came at a cost. The original design obviously included specifications for an elevator big enough for a 20-storey building. In the process of scaling things up, however, nobody thought to redesign the elevator system—and, naturally, a 47-storey building requires more space for its lifts and motor equipment. Sadly, that space doesn't exist.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the architects working on the project have resigned, and it remains unclear exactly how the developers will solve the problem. Can we recommend the stairs?

gizmodo.com/the-builders-of-this-spanish-skyscraper-forgot-the-elev-1065152844
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #488
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How the **** is it possible to forget elevator shafts??

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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #489
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A friend sent me a link to that gizmodo story because they knew i'm a skyscraper geek.

It left me wondering... how much of that story is accurate? It could be 100% correct, just political grandstanding, or somewhere in between. Until now I hadn't ever seen or heard of the building so I won't even hazard a guess.

What does seem strange are a couple sentences such as this: "Sadly, the builders forgot to include a working elevator."

That kind of hyperbole suggests that the story's author is either misinformed or is biased against the building. Seriously? They "forgot to include a working elevator"? That claim seems factually incorrect.

Apparently this building was already controversial due to how the developer and backers have behaved, etc. With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that opinions are being influenced heavily enough that people don't approach the topic rationally.

For example: "In part, that was a function of the greed surrounding the project." Greed is a subjective topic. Opinions on that could be entirely based upon other economic or social issues related to economic conditions and class-ism, perceived or real.

But like I said, I really have no idea. What do other people think? Is the story accurate or is it emotionally skewed due to being tied to other controversial topics?

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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #490
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It explains in the article that after the redesign the extra space needed for elevators and the equipment was not included.

The article is completely politically biased, but I see the case of missing elevators as being a cause of the bias, not a product of it. You can lie about the economy, but it's hard to lie about tangible objects like a tower. We'll see when/if the building is ever finished.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #491
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It explains in the article that after the redesign the extra space needed for elevators and the equipment was not included.

The article is completely politically biased, but I see the case of missing elevators as being a cause of the bias, not a product of it. You can lie about the economy, but it's hard to lie about tangible objects like a tower. We'll see when/if the building is ever finished.
Keeping in mind that the article said they forgot to include any elevators at all, I am left wondering about the other claims. Perhaps the problem is overstated or the story is incomplete.

For example, do the author or critics know what the average projected wait time is as compared to what it was before? How does this compare to other buildings? Was there a surplus of capacity before? Were faster elevators spec'd after the increase in height? Greater capacity elevators? Was a sky lobby added? Were dedicated penthouse elevators replaced with regular elevators? Double-decker elevators? Are additional external elevators planned? Etc?

I'm not saying any of this is the case. Instead, it is just that the article appears to be biased and it would be interesting to hear other perspectives.
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I've always assumed that the windowless sections on the back of the building were elevator shafts... This is really a weird project.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #493
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this can't be true to forget one of the most important things in a skyscraper

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Old August 9th, 2013, 04:49 AM   #494
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it isn't true... Gizmodo proving once again why they are such an incredibly poor source of factual information. The lift provision seems to be inadequate certainly, but considering they've been running cargo hoists inside the completed full height lift shafts it's a bit disingenuous to claim there aren't any at all.
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Old August 9th, 2013, 05:17 AM   #495
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Yeah, actually, I think I'll change my mind. Just seems too ridiculous to have been possible.
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Old August 9th, 2013, 10:39 AM   #496
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Read all about it in one of spain biggest newspapers:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/26/...html?rel=rosEP
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Old August 9th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #497
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It is clear in this article that the project has been mismanaged since the beginning, and the elevator shaft is just the last - and maybe worst - case of negligence in the whole thing. Fixing this problem (if there is such a possibility) will demand even more resources in a tower that is already facing accusations of corruption.

And 358k euros for an apartment in this building? I think that's a little overpriced!
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Old August 9th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #498
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Old August 10th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #499
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a very weird and ugly looking building. I read that the design was changed and they decided to go from 20 floors to 47. Also the concrete sides without cladding doesn't look good.
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