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Old August 10th, 2013, 10:58 AM   #501
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It does have elevators, just not enough for a 47 story building. It just means people will have to wait ages for elevators. It was originally going to be 20 stories so they probably only have 2 elevators per tower instead or the 4 that would probably be needed for a 47 story building.
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I was thinking... they should install LED light panels on the side walls, and use them for the occasional light show.
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Old August 10th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #503
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Benidorm has the densest and most asian-city-like skyline of europe, but every single building is horrible, and op top of that, they made their tallest building the worlds ugliest building. More thinking, less sangria....
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Old August 10th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #504
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The Builders of This Spanish Skyscraper Forgot the Elevator
Jamie Condliffe/Gizmodo

The Intempo skyscraper in Benidorm, Spain—standing proud in this image—was designed to be a striking symbol of hope and prosperity, to signal to the rest of the world that the city was escaping the financial crisis. Sadly, the builders forgot to include a working elevator.

In fairness, the entire construction process has been plagued with problems, reports Ecnonomia. Initially funded by a bank called Caixa Galicia, the finances were recently taken over by Sareb – Spain’s so-called "bad bank" – when the mortgage was massively written down.

In part, that was a function of the greed surrounding the project. Initially designed to be a mere 20 storeys tall, the developers got over-excited and pushed the height way up: now it boasts 47 storeys, and will include 269 homes.

But that push for more accommodation came at a cost. The original design obviously included specifications for an elevator big enough for a 20-storey building. In the process of scaling things up, however, nobody thought to redesign the elevator system—and, naturally, a 47-storey building requires more space for its lifts and motor equipment. Sadly, that space doesn't exist.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the architects working on the project have resigned, and it remains unclear exactly how the developers will solve the problem. Can we recommend the stairs?

gizmodo.com/the-builders-of-this-spanish-skyscraper-forgot-the-elev-1065152844
The Bali Hotel has 2 glass elevators outside, well, maybe they could add 4 elevators outside the building, why not?
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Old August 10th, 2013, 08:14 PM   #505
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I've always assumed that the windowless sections on the back of the building were elevator shafts... This is really a weird project.
Yes, I exactly thought that myself.
Space there for extra elevators.
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Old August 10th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #506
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Benidorm has the densest and most asian-city-like skyline of europe, but every single building is horrible, and op top of that, they made their tallest building the worlds ugliest building. More thinking, less sangria....
Benidorm has very interesting buildings.

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Old August 10th, 2013, 08:26 PM   #507
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I was thinking... they should install LED light panels on the side walls, and use them for the occasional light show.
That's a great ideaˇˇˇ
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I was thinking... they should install LED light panels on the side walls, and use them for the occasional light show.
Good ideathat would be awesome
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It does have elevators, just not enough for a 47 story building. It just means people will have to wait ages for elevators. It was originally going to be 20 stories so they probably only have 2 elevators per tower instead or the 4 that would probably be needed for a 47 story building.
See, this makes the most sense...
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Old August 11th, 2013, 01:50 AM   #510
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Old August 11th, 2013, 03:16 AM   #511
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Looks like Genex Tower on steroids
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Benidorm has the densest and most asian-city-like skyline of europe, but every single building is horrible, and op top of that, they made their tallest building the worlds ugliest building. More thinking, less sangria....
Benidorm is a shithole for working class Brits to get drunk on the beach.
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The Bali Hotel has 2 glass elevators outside, well, maybe they could add 4 elevators outside the building, why not?
That would be costly and financially impossible. Even adding two exta elevators is a problem.
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Benidorm is a shithole for working class Brits to get drunk on the beach.
Yeah that's true... The only family friendly place in Benidorm is the old part of town, witch is where I stayed, and it's on the edge of the city far away form all the attractions...
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It does have elevators, just not enough for a 47 story building. It just means people will have to wait ages for elevators. It was originally going to be 20 stories so they probably only have 2 elevators per tower instead or the 4 that would probably be needed for a 47 story building.
"Machine Room Less" (M.R.L) elevators were installed by contractual obligations?

Because most of these types of elevators won't go higher than 20 stories (up to 28 stops for the Otis Gen2) !
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Old August 11th, 2013, 12:37 PM   #516
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The Builders of This Spanish Skyscraper Forgot the Elevator
Jamie Condliffe/Gizmodo

The Intempo skyscraper in Benidorm, Spain—standing proud in this image—was designed to be a striking symbol of hope and prosperity, to signal to the rest of the world that the city was escaping the financial crisis. Sadly, the builders forgot to include a working elevator.

In fairness, the entire construction process has been plagued with problems, reports Ecnonomia. Initially funded by a bank called Caixa Galicia, the finances were recently taken over by Sareb – Spain’s so-called "bad bank" – when the mortgage was massively written down.

In part, that was a function of the greed surrounding the project. Initially designed to be a mere 20 storeys tall, the developers got over-excited and pushed the height way up: now it boasts 47 storeys, and will include 269 homes.

But that push for more accommodation came at a cost. The original design obviously included specifications for an elevator big enough for a 20-storey building. In the process of scaling things up, however, nobody thought to redesign the elevator system—and, naturally, a 47-storey building requires more space for its lifts and motor equipment. Sadly, that space doesn't exist.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the architects working on the project have resigned, and it remains unclear exactly how the developers will solve the problem. Can we recommend the stairs?

gizmodo.com/the-builders-of-this-spanish-skyscraper-forgot-the-elev-1065152844
If the've forgotten something so obvious as a bigger engine for a bigger lift. What else did they forget?
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Amazing story! Apartments certainly won't sell at a premium, probably the opposite.

I'm sure the machine room issues can be resolved with modifications, but having only two lifts per tower for a building this like this can mean very long waits, particularly if one lift is out of use. Adding an extra lift shaft is a huge alteration for this type of building, even on the exterior - it would have to be connected via a corridor to the central elevator lobby and emergency stairs.

Its also striking that the municipality of Benidorm would permit such an absurd height raising of the building. Is the lower structure and foundations able to support the added floors one wonders. May simply be best to demolish or chop it back to the original 20 floor design.

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Amazing story! Apartments certainly won't sell at a premium, probably the opposite.

I'm sure the machine room issues can be resolved with modifications, but having only two lifts per tower for a building this like this can mean very long waits, particularly if one lift is out of use. Adding an extra lift shaft is a huge alteration for this type of building, even on the exterior - it would have to be connected via a corridor to the central elevator lobby and emergency stairs.

Its also striking that the municipality of Benidorm would permit such an absurd height raising of the building. Is the lower structure and foundations able to support the added floors one wonders. May simply be best to demolish or chop it back to the original 20 floor design.
It's called corruption.
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Amazing story! Apartments certainly won't sell at a premium, probably the opposite.

I'm sure the machine room issues can be resolved with modifications, but having only two lifts per tower for a building this like this can mean very long waits, particularly if one lift is out of use. Adding an extra lift shaft is a huge alteration for this type of building, even on the exterior - it would have to be connected via a corridor to the central elevator lobby and emergency stairs.

Its also striking that the municipality of Benidorm would permit such an absurd height raising of the building. Is the lower structure and foundations able to support the added floors one wonders. May simply be best to demolish or chop it back to the original 20 floor design.
Such a project needs a lot of approvals from a lot of institutions, maybe more than in any other country, and of course, before the construction started, the approved project was the 200m tall version, it's not what some people say that the built the first 20 floors and then they added 27 more, that's soooo completely impossible to do in Spain with so many construction laws!!! of course the foundations and structure was made since the beggining for a 200m tower

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It's called corruption.
Benidorm has a very clear urban planning that, in some areas, doesn't allow to build less than 20 floors, and there's no maximum height, the number of apartments or usable area of the building is determined by the maximum usable area, not the number of floors, they could have built this as a 20 floor building with a bigger floor area, or 47 floors with a smaller floor area, so for the 47 floor building, they had the let a lot of ground free of construction around the building.

For the rest of the people, this is the typical floor plan from this building, the number of lifts seems adequate, but maybe the dimensions of the space for them is too small, I don't know:


And this floor plan is taken from a pdf file with a lot of details about the foundations and structure, published in 2010 you can download it from here:
https://mega.co.nz/#!JIRHgS6C!cEZTFF...DWBGFaTMEGZZ2s

And to end, here you can see an article where someone uses one of the already installed lifts to go to the top floor, you can see pics of it:
http://devacacionesypuentes.com/2013...o-en-benidorm/

The lift, with interior materials not finished yet:


The hole for the other lifts:
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Old August 12th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #520
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No elevators is a blessing, the best thing that could ever happen to this hideous eyesore. The perfect excuse to rig the ****** with explosives, press the big red button, and then try again, preferably this time by someone who has at least a shred of a sense of aesthetics.
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