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Old August 12th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #521
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can someone confirm the number of elevators in this building?
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Old August 12th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #522
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What if... the elevator scandal was all a plan by the financers to draw attention to the building, only to have people realize that the elevators are actually there, and make it seem like they know what they're doing after all?
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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:18 AM   #523
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Plan views (rooms) @ 2:10:





Bird's-eye views (the two boxes on top usually contain elevator machineries) ...

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Old August 13th, 2013, 08:01 AM   #524
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They forgot to include the elevators so I hear! Really? or is the media hyping things up again? Hope people here clan clear things up

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It does have elevators, just not enough for a 47 story building. It just means people will have to wait ages for elevators. It was originally going to be 20 stories so they probably only have 2 elevators per tower instead or the 4 that would probably be needed for a 47 story building.
Thanks for clearing things up. Another case of the media hyping things up.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #525
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Is anyone buying? The elevator deficit might be the least of their concerns.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #526
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How the **** do these people miss to put elevators on a friggin skyscraper? And not one person noticed this? How embarassing
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Old August 13th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #527
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How the **** do these people miss to put elevators on a friggin skyscraper? And not one person noticed this? How embarassing
The building has two passenger and one freight elevators per "leg". That is a total of six elevators.

Wait times on elevators could be longer than desirable depending on what was changed when the tower increased in height.

Initially I thought the story might have some credibility. However given what we know now, it appears that the story was purposefully misleading. There must be an agenda to make the tower or people involved with it look bad.

There is likely good motivation for the anger toward the tower or it's developer's. However this tower obviously has elevators. It is reasonable to question if the elevator capacity is enough for the building's height. Yet given how the article was written, I now place absolutely zero faith in anything it had to say.
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Old August 14th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #528
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It seems that those were exagerated news, the only mistake was the wrong dimensions of the room for the machinery of the elevators, something that has been already solved.
Anyway, the construction has had a lot of mistakes and unpredicted changes, and the final result is yet... not great :S
The orginal news was this:
http://economia.elpais.com/economia/...85_911593.html

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The article says there have been tons of problems in the construction of the building; to name a few, [construction]lifts weren't placed until floor 23rd was being built, the promoter company went bankrupt, only 35% of flats have been sold, workers weren't paid for four months, the budget was a complete fantasy, and so on.

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Rough translation: In January 2012, a new surprise arised: they haven't had considered the lift hole, as we can see in the brochure ads where there is no room in the roof left for the lift's motors. "The room was assumed to be enough in a 20-floor building", tell the source. As a cherry on top of the cake, last May the main architects resigned. They haven't explained their reasons.

As I understand it, it's a problem of capacity. The lifts are there but may not be enough for a larger building, so long queues may appear.

It is expected to be finished in December. The cone is supposed to be home for several restaurants... more people will have to use the lifts.
But I'm not sure about the last 2 lines, I think it's only a problem of the rooms on top of the tower.

And then it was exagerated by some webs, blogs, etc. that post that kind of funny fake news.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #529
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Once again, the media demonstrates how easily it can mislead and brainwash.
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Old August 14th, 2013, 06:56 PM   #530
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Here is google's translation of the relevant text in that article:
"In January 2012, a new surprise was not taken into account the elevator shaft, as is well seen in the promotional designs which consist not typical rooftop spaces dedicated to lifting engines. "The space was calculated for a 20-storey block," tell the same sources."

So basically, somebody forgot to up-size the enclosure on the roof which houses the elevator motors. It sounds like they already solved the problem by demolishing the rooftop elevator mechanical room and building a new one. It is a mistake but not really that expensive of a mistake as a percentage of the project.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #531
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Friends in Spain tell me the elevator saga is a purposeful distraction from some bigger overall problem, kind of like Spain's claim to Gibraltar. But who really knows?
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Old August 15th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #532
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clear explanation of "missing elevator"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-916082.html

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The lifting mechanism that was originally installed for the building had been designed to serve exactly 20 floors. When the decision was made to add the extra stories, the architect simply extended the existing shaft but failed to consider the fact that more stories would also mean more use or that the space would not be sufficient for the necessary amount of additional lifting equipment.
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Work on the towers began slowly, using methods reminiscent of ancient Egypt. A freight elevator wasn't installed until the first 23 floors were already constructed. Before that, it had been all crane and legwork. And when the freight elevator was finally installed, it collapsed, injuring 13 workers.
so it was a freight elevator which was missing, the problem with normal elevators in the building is only their low capacity
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Old August 15th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #533
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Another story written to sensationalize an apparently controversial tower. "using methods reminiscent of ancient Egypt"

It is fairly routine in construction projects to not have the final elevators installed until part way through the construction process. Cranes are used to lift material while constructing structural columns and slabs. External construction elevators are sometimes used as well. But the final elevators, those normally don't get installed until cladding and interior fitting begin.

Again, I don't believe any article claiming that the architect didn't realize taller buildings have more elevator passengers. The elevators might have been improperly spec'd or too few in number, but the architect isn't such an idiot to not know about elevator requirements. There is valid criticism to be made, but it is ludicrous to claim the architect didn't think of the need for increased elevator capacity.

Also, we don't know if the elevators have sufficient capacity or not. Note how the mechanical rooms to house the lift motors were too small and had to be enlarged. That likely means a larger motor was used. That could mean an increased car speed. Or maybe it was simply needed to account for the longer and heavier cables. We just don't know. Given how controversial this tower is and the obviously incorrect articles being written, it is hard to know if there is a problem or if it is just mud slinging and media sensationalism.

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I too am greatly interested in the status of this building. Hopefully a credible source comes forward, or at least one that puts together a reasoned analysis.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #534
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Found in flickr:

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Poniente (Benidorm) por Jin3te, en Flickr

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In Tempo, el edificio residencial más alto. por lacondesadescalza, en Flickr

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A 200 metros de altura en el edificio residencial más alto de Europa II. por lacondesadescalza, en Flickr

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2013-Spain-Benidorm-Review-027 por aneshitoff, en Flickr

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219/365 El famoso edificio sin ascensor de Benidorm, muy hábiles... por karol fustigadora, en Flickr
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I hope they will clad the cone soon.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 10:19 AM   #536
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I hope they will clad the cone soon.
In the spanish forum we think there have been changes in the cladding of the cone, in the renders you could see a typical cladding covering all the structure, but if you zoom in the pictures in the top 2 floors, you will see there's already vertical cladding from floor to ceiling that leaves the structure of the next floor in the air, outside the cladding, that is painted in orange, and there are some ornamental orange leaned strips making the external shape of the cone, those strips could be the structrure of the external cladding, but it doesn't look like that, so we think that's just the final look of the cone: interior vertical cladding in each floor, exterior strips making the shape of the cone. Dissapointing.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #537
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Friends in Spain tell me the elevator saga is a purposeful distraction from some bigger overall problem, kind of like Spain's claim to Gibraltar. But who really knows?
Probably the Gilbraltar thing...
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Probably the Gilbraltar thing...
It can't be the Gibraltar thing as Woonsocket says "...it got to be some bigger overall problem..." and as far as I know most of the Spanish don't really give a damn about this British colony...
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Here they confirm everything about the elevators has been fake news, and everything is correct, it's only in spanish
http://is-arquitectura.es/2013/08/16...ne-ascensores/
Lo ocurrido este mes de agosto con la obra del rascacielos Intempo (Benidorm, España) puede considerarse una pequeña muestra de lo enferma que está la economía mundial (dinero respaldado por deuda), pero también de lo poco que se puede confiar ya en los medios tradicionalmente considerados fiables (prensa, televisión), y por supuesto de cómo puede llevar a expandirse una noticia falsa y absurda por las redes de blogs más o menos especializados.

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What happened this August with Intempo skyscraper construction (Benidorm, Spain) can be considered a small sample of how sick the world economy is (money backed by debt), but also how little we can trust in the traditionally considered reliable media(press, television), and of course how can lead to spread false and absurd news networks by more or less specialized blogs.


From the architect:
Es impensable pensar que en España se pueda conceder una licencia a un edificio que no contemple el pertinente ascensor en el proyecto o que de repente se decida añadir plantas a un edificio. Éste no es un país tercermundista, tenemos una legislación muy amplia y explícita que regula el diseño y el proceso constructivo, y tanto los colegios profesionales como los ayuntamientos ejercen un minucioso control sobre los proyectos para otorgarles la licencia que permite iniciar las obras;… el rascacielos Intempo se diseñó cumpliendo con la legislación local, autonómica y estatal vigentes, con las plantas y la altura que finalmente tiene”.

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It is inconceivable to think that in Spain you can grant a license to a building that does not provide the relevant lift in the project or who suddenly decide to add floors to a building. This is not a third world country, we have a very broad and explicit legislation governing the design and construction process, and both professional bodies such as municipalities exert careful control of projects to grant the license enabling works begin; ... the Intempo skyscraper was designed in compliance with local, regional and state legislation, with the height and number of floors it finally has. "
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