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Old June 21st, 2009, 09:13 PM   #1
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Warsaw - different faces

Warsaw is a special city - almost completely destroyed and after rebuilt. And because of this Warsaw has many different faces.



Vibrant and hectic Warsaw is full of life and colours. And also trash... Train Central Station - here you can meet some homeless and drunk people.



From Train Central Station we can go to Metro Central Station. This is a fisrt contact with Warsaw's downtown - wide streets, rush, skyscrapers and wild trade everywhere.



20 years ego communist, now democratic. And the talles building in Poland - Soviet past, European future.



We are going near Aleje Jerozolimskie (one of the major streets). This is an elegant Polonia Palace Hotel.



Another hotel - Novotel - built in 70s.



A complecs of buildings build in 60s in modernism style. The traffic circle is supposed to be a central point of Warsaw.



Some modern skyscrapers in Warsaw's downtown.



A sculpture on Palace of Culture and Science's wall holding a book with Marx, Engels and Lenin names. A name of Stalin was plastered over in 1956.



Completely chaotic view from Marszałkowska Street.



Próżna Street in Warsaw's dowtnown.



Socialist realism blocks built near Marszałkowska Street.



WTF? In downtown... Trash.




Both photos: Commie modernism near a crossing of Marszałkowska Street and Świętokrzyska Street.




Both photos: Monumental buildings built in socialist realism style. Świętokrzyska Street in downtown.



A residence of National Bank of Poland.


The next post will be about Krakowskie Przedmieście (the most representative street in Warsaw) and Old Town, so You will can see some small, elegant and antique buildings instead of monumental downtown.

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Old June 21st, 2009, 11:07 PM   #2
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Different face


The last view on socialist realist Świętokrzyska Street.



Classicistic residence of Polish Academy of Sciences.



View on Krakowskie Przedmieście Street.



Both photos: Elegant houses near Krakowskie Przedmieście.



Bristol Hotel.



Palace of Polish President.



Classicistic St. Anna's church.


Kanonia Street on the Old Town.




Both photos: Square of the Old Town.



A sculpture on a wall on Świętojańska Street.



Fabulous Old Town.



Brzozowa Street.



Kamienne Schodki (Stony Upstairs).



Barbakan - a fortification on a former gate to the town.



The Grand Theatre.



View toward a downtown.


There are photos from two trips so it is a cause of changes of the weather. Next post will be about Warsaw's gardens.

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Old June 22nd, 2009, 02:56 AM   #3
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Great pics. Is Saski Palace going to be rebuilt in the next couple of years?
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 04:47 AM   #4
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Great city!
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 07:25 AM   #5
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Great pics. I love this forum, its like having a virtual tour of different places you'd wish to visit someday.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 12:34 PM   #6
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Green Warsaw

Saski Palace was supposed to be rebuilt, but city's gov decided that we don't have enaugh money and there are more important things to do (because of EURO 2012). The palace will be rebuilt but in a farer future.


This is Saski Garden near the destroyed palace.



A big monument of F. Chopin in Łazienki.



Everybody can repose in Łazienki. There are many classicistic figures.



Northern wall of Palace on The Water.



Southern wall with a courtyard. There are some peacocks. The birgds aren's scared of tourtists.



Classicistic art and nature - the best combination.



A canal.



An amphitheatre in Łazienki. In summer there are held some performances.



Places for the audience.



A view on the Palace on The Water.


The last post will be about ordinary Warsaw - some developments.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 12:43 PM   #7
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In first post some very sad views... Modern highrises next to homless people, commieblocks, wild trade and ugly big-format advertisments. Warsaw is truly city of many contrasts ;] But has it's own style and I love this city.

Post more downtown pics ;]
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 02:08 PM   #8
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From Krakowskie Przedmieście we can go through Nowy Świat Street and we will arrive to Rondo de Gaulle. Here is a palm tree. The white building is a former residence of Polish communist party (Polish United Workers' Party). It was built in 1948 in socialist realism style. Now inside is a Centre of Banks and Finances.



Rondo de Gaulle is a traffic circle on a crossing of Nowy Świat and Aleje Jerozolimskie. There are also another office blocks.



Through Nowy Świat we can go to Aleje Ujazdowskie. It is a street in downtown where many old houses survived war and now there are some embassies.



A heart of southern downtown: Constitution's Square - one of the best socialist realist complex in the world.



The complex was finished in 1952. The monumental blocks-palaces was the tenements for workers.



Without courtyards, decorations, but with power and sculptures of proud workers - everything agreed with communist ideology.



There are many sculptures of new socialist society.



A church which survived a war. Communists wanted to make churchs not seen in ideal socialist Warsaw.



I love this monumental candelabrs.



Commie block near Aleje Jerozolimskie, called by local people "a hammer".




Both photos: developments near Grójecka Street (Ochota district).



A development in Bielany district (northern west of the city).



New developments in a downtown. The most popular development in Warsaw are big blocks.



One of highrises with flats in downtown. Now Warsaw counts officialy 1 700 000 inhabitants (unofficialy could be about 2 000 000), metropolitan area counts about 3 000 000 people. 9% are immigrants especially from Vietnam, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Caucasian states. Warsaw is 8th biggest city in EU.

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Old June 23rd, 2009, 07:51 AM   #9
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In first post some very sad views... Modern highrises next to homless people, commieblocks, wild trade and ugly big-format advertisments. Warsaw is truly city of many contrasts ;] But has it's own style and I love this city.

Post more downtown pics ;]
If you want to see homeless people come visit Toronto or any big American city.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 08:03 AM   #10
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A couple questions: are any of the 19th century buildings that lost their ornaments because of the communist regime (they did not want the building too fancy) going to get those ornamental designs put back?? Those buildings were made to look simpler and not as beautiful which makes me angry.
Also when is Warsaw getting a new main train station? I heard they can't build anything new there until after the 2012 Euro's. They want to possibly build a skyscraper there with a train station underneath. To prawda??
Lastly what are the Vietnamese doing in Warsaw? Are they mostly involved in the black market? And do they assimilate?? Countries like England, France and Germany have a lot of problems with assimilating their non-European immigrants.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 10:32 AM   #11
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Yes, in Warsaw are some buildings, which was too sumptuous for communists and they decided to deprive them of this "burgeois" ornaments. Especially in Suthern Downtown. Fortunately Aleje Ujazdowskie survived.

Warsaw aren't going to have new big train station, but I heard about train line from airport to downtown. Central station will be cleaned and smarten up and Easern Warsaw will be modernized and renovated. I didn't hear about skyscraper. Dworzec Gdański can be placed in shopping mall like Dworzec Wileński.

Firt wave of immigrants (during communist time) where studying here and they are clerical workers. They're well assimilated. Second wave (90s) in the most works in trade or catering, some are illegal. They are weakly assimilated, many even don't know Polish. Their children are very good assimilated, because they go to Polish schools. They have different jobs. And many of their parents finished work on markets and set up their own buissnesses. Jarmark Europa will be closed finally in september and traders will build a new big market in Białołęka district. They've just started.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 11:56 AM   #12
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Yes, in Warsaw are some buildings, which was too sumptuous for communists and they decided to deprive them of this "burgeois" ornaments. Especially in Suthern Downtown. Fortunately Aleje Ujazdowskie survived.

Warsaw aren't going to have new big train station, but I heard about train line from airport to downtown. Central station will be cleaned and smarten up and Easern Warsaw will be modernized and renovated. I didn't hear about skyscraper. Dworzec Gdański can be placed in shopping mall like Dworzec Wileński.

Firt wave of immigrants (during communist time) where studying here and they are clerical workers. They're well assimilated. Second wave (90s) in the most works in trade or catering, some are illegal. They are weakly assimilated, many even don't know Polish. Their children are very good assimilated, because they go to Polish schools. They have different jobs. And many of their parents finished work on markets and set up their own buissnesses. Jarmark Europa will be closed finally in september and traders will build a new big market in Białołęka district. They've just started.
I was in Warsaw in the summer of 2007 and really did not see that many Vietnamese. Only a couple in Bemowo at a market across from my grandpas apartment.
About the train station- well I read on this site that they are planning this big project but can't start until after the Euro's because this would inconvenience too many tourists. I'll do more research regarding this.
By the way you should visit more modern suburbs in Warsaw like Wilanow so we can see some of the newest neighbourhoods.
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They won't finish second line of metro to not do inconvaniences for people during EURO.

I was two times in Warsaw and I saw some Vietnamese bars and people on the street, in shopping malls and in trams. Young and old. In one hour I met about 3-5. It isn't much, but they are seen.

I will be in Warsaw in August and I'm going to visit Jarmark Europa in its last days. From Wilanów I have only photos of palace, I forgot about them.

And here is a map of new buildings in Warsaw. In Polish. If you click you will see a photo and height in metres or floors.
http://warszawa3d.prv.pl/art.html
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 07:19 PM   #14
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Thanks for those photos about Warsaw; the city (and the old part), the park(s) and of course the skyline are indeed great
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 08:42 PM   #16
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Excellent title for this thread. I was there in '95 and found many amazing parts and some tragic parts. I wish they would restore the buildings stripped of their ornamentation by commies. Hopefully Warsaw's very proactive city conservator will look into this.
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Thank You for comments.

To Urbanista: I heard about some plans of restoring the onramentation, but unfortunately most of great buildings are irretrievably lost. But to be honest I must admit that Warsaw benefited some things: firstly wide streets (six lanes + separated tram tracks), better condition of flats - many flats in high old houses have windows overlooking on yards sourrounded by another walls (without light) and more green and space. For example Cracow is for me tight, dark and sad. Warsaw has light, space, more life. Wide streets and high buildings - you can feel really big city. And I must admit - I like socialist realism.
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Thank You for comments.

To Urbanista: I heard about some plans of restoring the onramentation, but unfortunately most of great buildings are irretrievably lost. But to be honest I must admit that Warsaw benefited some things: firstly wide streets (six lanes + separated tram tracks), better condition of flats - many flats in high old houses have windows overlooking on yards sourrounded by another walls (without light) and more green and space. For example Cracow is for me tight, dark and sad. Warsaw has light, space, more life. Wide streets and high buildings - you can feel really big city. And I must admit - I like socialist realism.
Some of the socialist arrchitecture isn't bad. It can be very grande.
As for the ornaments, well if they can remove them than they can find ways to design some new fancy ornaments for those buildings. Keep the pics coming.
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To Urbanista: I heard about some plans of restoring the onramentation, but unfortunately most of great buildings are irretrievably lost. But to be honest I must admit that Warsaw benefited some things: firstly wide streets (six lanes + separated tram tracks), better condition of flats - many flats in high old houses have windows overlooking on yards sourrounded by another walls (without light) and more green and space. For example Cracow is for me tight, dark and sad. Warsaw has light, space, more life. Wide streets and high buildings - you can feel really big city. And I must admit - I like socialist realism.
I agree somewhat. Thinning out the urban fabric did bring in much needed light, air and open space but you lose some dynamism. I also like socialist realism done well. I think ornamentation to old tenements can be restored always as long as there is the money to do it. Too many old poor people live in these flats/
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Warsaw is soo coool! (the mix of everything)
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