Hyderabad MMTS & Railway Discussions

[skdubai]

lol.. dun think even that would do it!! Urban transport should be kept as far away from IR as possible!!!!!(not that the state govt. is doing a stellar job of it either)

[superfan]

Source: http://beta.thehindu.com/news/cities...ticle54842.ece
Date: November 25, 2009

Panel formed to pursue MMTS

The Government has constituted a seven member sub-committee headed by GHMC Commissioner to examine all the issues pertaining to Multi-Modal Transport System (MMTS) phase one and phase two projects and submit a revised proposal immediately.

The South Central Railway (SCR) General Manager or his representative, Additional Secretary (Finance), HMDA’s Chief Engineer, GHMC’s Chief City Planner, APSRTC’s Executive Director (MMTS & BRTS) are members with MMTS Project Director being the Member-Convenor.

The panel was formed following a meeting held in the chambers of Chief Minister K. Rosaiah where pending railway projects including MMTS were discussed in October. It was observed that the special purpose vehicle for implementing the MMTS project should be pursued vigorously and review the estimated cost.

The meeting also felt that the project was already delayed and urgent action for its approval should be taken up. It was pointed out that the cost for phase two had escalated to Rs. 1,028 crore from the earlier envisaged Rs. 350 crore due to non-approval by the Ministry of Railways.

[Kewl Batty]

Wow!! No more hope At least before hearing this news, I had some hope for phase II.

Another 1 year for re planning the phase II...

[Abhishek901]

With metro also going slow, they should at least try to put MMTS on a fast track. Hyderabad's roads alone won't be able to support the traffic of the fast growing metropolis.

[IchimaruGin1]

In response to SK dubai from pune metro thread

again i dont agree with the core city analysis.

as lets face it people travelling to the core city from the other outlying suburbs and metropolitan areas is much much larger in case of Paris than it is for hyderabad.

A size of the metro system no doubt is influenced by road quality and population and also location of businesses.

I want to know from you, does Hyderabad have a Central business district like Bangalore has UB city.

And as you said metros always run at a loss. So somebody has the foot the bill. If the citizens of hyderabad are willing to foot the bill then they should go for it. Delhi came to the point where it could not soak any more autos and the metro was the only solution out there. Some parts of delhi metro were about 20-30 km from the CBD. In dont see that the case with hyderabad.

[bobbie501]

Originally Posted by IchimaruGin1

In response to SK dubai from pune metro thread

again i dont agree with the core city analysis.

as lets face it people travelling to the core city from the other outlying suburbs and metropolitan areas is much much larger in case of Paris than it is for hyderabad.

A size of the metro system no doubt is influenced by road quality and population and also location of businesses.

I want to know from you, does Hyderabad have a Central business district like Bangalore has UB city.

And as you said metros always run at a loss. So somebody has the foot the bill. If the citizens of hyderabad are willing to foot the bill then they should go for it. Delhi came to the point where it could not soak any more autos and the metro was the only solution out there. Some parts of delhi metro were about 20-30 km from the CBD. In dont see that the case with hyderabad.

Dude do you know anything about Hyderabad? Have you ever in your life been to Hyderabad? Without knowing anything facts about Hyderabad how can you make such justification? as you say Hyderabad is no way comparable to Paris yes I do accept for the matter of fact no Indian City can match with Paris.FYI
metro is to resolve the ever goiing traffic situation of Hyderabad,Just look at Hyderabad traffic you'll come to know the need for Metro.

[skdubai]

Originally Posted by IchimaruGin1

In response to SK dubai from pune metro thread

again i dont agree with the core city analysis.

as lets face it people travelling to the core city from the other outlying suburbs and metropolitan areas is much much larger in case of Paris than it is for hyderabad.

A size of the metro system no doubt is influenced by road quality and population and also location of businesses.

I want to know from you, does Hyderabad have a Central business district like Bangalore has UB city.

And as you said metros always run at a loss. So somebody has the foot the bill. If the citizens of hyderabad are willing to foot the bill then they should go for it. Delhi came to the point where it could not soak any more autos and the metro was the only solution out there. Some parts of delhi metro were about 20-30 km from the CBD. In dont see that the case with hyderabad.

Hey.. sorry for the late response..

anyways, whether a city has a CBD or not is not the point... Every city, even one which has many business districts has a few high traffic corridors which people use! Buses regularly run over crowded and with people hanging over the sides. The objective is to take a load of those means and make getting from one place to another easier. I know in a flat city like Hyderabad, the metro will not get you as close as metros in other countries, but when integrated with other modes, it has place in any kind of city!

If anything you should see how the metro works in a place like Dubia. It is a city centered around one mega highway with 3-4 cbd's! even then the metro has a huge role to play!

[IchimaruGin1]

Originally Posted by bobbie501

Dude do you know anything about Hyderabad? Have you ever in your life been to Hyderabad? Without knowing anything facts about Hyderabad how can you make such justification? as you say Hyderabad is no way comparable to Paris yes I do accept for the matter of fact no Indian City can match with Paris.FYI
metro is to resolve the ever goiing traffic situation of Hyderabad,Just look at Hyderabad traffic you'll come to know the need for Metro.

then why are bidders backing away

your right i have not been to hyderabad. But if its not financially viable do you want extra taxes to fund it?

[IchimaruGin1]

Originally Posted by skdubai

Hey.. sorry for the late response..

anyways, whether a city has a CBD or not is not the point... Every city, even one which has many business districts has a few high traffic corridors which people use! Buses regularly run over crowded and with people hanging over the sides. The objective is to take a load of those means and make getting from one place to another easier. I know in a flat city like Hyderabad, the metro will not get you as close as metros in other countries, but when integrated with other modes, it has place in any kind of city!

If anything you should see how the metro works in a place like Dubia. It is a city centered around one mega highway with 3-4 cbd's! even then the metro has a huge role to play!

yeah but every city has one major CBD. Like paris has la defence, UK central london and canarf wharf

Delhi has CP mumbai has bandra kurla complex and nariman point.

There will always be smaller CBDs , but does hyderabad have one major centre to where everybody has to travel at the same time


The issue again is not me saying does hyderabad deserve it. Ofcourse it does. But when it becomes financially viable.

Dubai now is bankrupt and did not really need a metro. There are a lot of constructions which took place in Dubai which were not needed

[Prodigist]

Originally Posted by IchimaruGin1

yeah but every city has one major CBD. Like paris has la defence, UK central london and canarf wharf

Delhi has CP mumbai has bandra kurla complex and nariman point.

There will always be smaller CBDs , but does hyderabad have one major centre to where everybody has to travel at the same time


The issue again is not me saying does hyderabad deserve it. Ofcourse it does. But when it becomes financially viable.

Dubai now is bankrupt and did not really need a metro. There are a lot of constructions which took place in Dubai which were not needed

You are forgetting that Hyderabad today has a population 0f 7 million which will definitely grow in the next 10-20 years..
The corridor that has the maximum traffic is the Dilshuknagar-Kukatpally corridor.. This route is definitely a case for a metro plus if u dont plan for your future now-- Our city infrastructure may turn up like our Airports where a HIAL or BIAL are treated like the "8th wonder of the world"... whereas such infrastructure should be commonplace(not in the same scale but in the standards)


The reason for the Delay in the construction--> Compared to Bangalore,Chennai which went in for a tendering process like Delhi where the metro is run by DMIC(funded by loans from JBIC), Hyderabad and Mumbai went in for PPP patnership model on a BOT model-- If it wern't for Maytas(or should i say Satyam Scandal) which not only refused Viability Gap Funding but also agreed to pay the Govt a lot of money in return----

Metro Bids might finally be settled in 2-4 months time this time around but the bidding will be more realistic this time around with the use of viability gap funding as well

[skdubai]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ow/5550356.cms

HYDERABAD: Passengers travelling by various suburban trains can now buy tickets through automatic vending machines. To begin with, the SCR on Monday launched the service from three stations—Secunderabad, Begumpet and Hi-Tec City.

Talking to mediapersons after inaugurating the facility, SCR general manager M S Jayanth said passengers would have to buy a smart card costing Rs 80. Of this, Rs 30 will be refundable deposit and these cards can be recharged in multiples of Rs 50, which will be available at all railway stations. For instance, if a passenger wants to travel from Hi-Tec City to Secunderabad, he need not wait in long queues to buy a ticket. He can use the smart card at the vending machine and get instant second class general ticket.

A similar service is in operation in Chennai and Mumbai and has proved to be very successful and useful for suburban travellers, he said.

To help passengers who may face technical problems initially since the software is new, the SCR will have a 24x7 helpline. In all, the SCR proposes to install 75 machines in 21 MMTS stations.

The SCR also introduced another new service for the benefit of passengers who want to lodge a complaint or give a suggestion. The SMS-based system will be available on number 81212-81212 and an automated acknowledgement with unique ID will be sent to the complainant through SMS.

The status of the complaint can be known at any time by sending SMS quoting the unique ID or from the SCR website: www.scrailway.gov.in. The action taken will be communicated through SMS and will also be available on the website.

[bobbie501]

Originally Posted by IchimaruGin1

then why are bidders backing away

your right i have not been to hyderabad. But if its not financially viable do you want extra taxes to fund it?

Yes I would say since many are affording to buy cars why do they hesitate to use their bucks on a metro when they are spending thriftly on gas.Moreover Hyderabad has second largest car market in India which may beat Delhi in mere future to resolve this traffic mess it darn needs a Metro at this hour.

[chennaidesi]

Originally Posted by IchimaruGin1

yeah but every city has one major CBD. Like paris has la defence, UK central london and canarf wharf

Delhi has CP mumbai has bandra kurla complex and nariman point.

There will always be smaller CBDs , but does hyderabad have one major centre to where everybody has to travel at the same time


The issue again is not me saying does hyderabad deserve it. Ofcourse it does. But when it becomes financially viable.

Dubai now is bankrupt and did not really need a metro. There are a lot of constructions which took place in Dubai which were not needed

And I feel most of the cities are not able to better predict it correctly and do the project in a economically viable way.

[superfan]

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/10/stor...1059510400.htm

MMTS combined ticket fare may go up

HYDERABAD: Setting aside the demand to operate more feeder services connecting MMTS stations, the APSRTC is now planning to increase the monthly MMTS–General Bus Ticket, popularly known as combined ticket, fare from Rs. 400 to Rs. 550.

The MMTS combined ticket launched in 2007 facilitates commuters travel both in MMTS and city ordinary buses. The revenue generated through sale of these tickets is being shared equally between SCR and APSRTC.

However, as the patronage for the MMTS services is increasing considerably, the need for feeder services connecting MMTS stations and main thoroughfares is also increasing. The stations that are not in the vicinity of main bus routes like Borabanda, Sanjeevaiah Park, Necklace Road, Hafeezpet, Chandanagar, Hitech city and Lingampally are in need of feeder services. In tune with the launch of combined ticket, the Greater Hyderabad zone of APSRTC operated over 80 trips of feeder services everyday from different destinations to MMTS stations but drastically reduced the number of services citing feasibility and narrow roads linking the stations.

The distance between Hitech city and Gachibowli is hardly 7-km. but it takes nearly 30 min. for commuters to travel the distance as they are forced to depend on autos, shelling high fares. Similar is the situation at Lingampally and Hafeezpet stations. Despite repeated requests to augment feeder services, RTC authorities have not bothered to increase the services, says Suresh Reddy, member of MMTS Travellers Group.

“On a single trip between Secunderabad and Lingampally MMTS service during peak hours, nearly 1,000 commuters alight at Hitech city, 200 at Hafeezpet and 200 at Lingampally stations and yet RTC authorities complain about feasibility,” fumes Mr. Reddy.

[sumant]

can any hyderbaiites help me out here . I found this in another forum .Is this one an hyderbad MMTS train.

[superfan]

Nah, they look like this.

[Abhishek901]

Originally Posted by sumant

can any hyderbaiites help me out here . I found this in another forum .Is this one an hyderbad MMTS train.

http://happyhyderabad.files.wordpres...g-by-train.jpg

Do you think Indian Railway's trains look like this

[skdubai]

heheheh! if IR manages to produce something that cool looking, the world may come to an abrupt end!! :P

[superfan]

Latest talk on MMTS Phase-II and improved amenities.

MMTS to get more amenities

MMTS to get more amenities

In a bid to make the ride smoother and more comfortable for commuters, it is proposed to augment MMTS fleet by more than 50 per cent, install electronic audio-visual displays at stations and on trains and increase the automatic ticket vending machines.

Even as the South Central Railway(SCR) awaits sanctioning of the Rs.641-crore for MMTS phase-II, the focus would be on all-round improvement in the passenger amenities of the suburban services.

Disclosing this to The Hindu here on Friday, SCR General Manager M.S. Jayanth said the existing 60 coaches under MMTS first phase would be augmented by 36 coaches. With the State government responding positively to pay its remaining share of Rs.27 crore, the Integral Coach Factory was expected to deliver the required number of six rakes within six months of depositing the money. The cost for MMTS first phase is shared equally by the State and SCR.

SMART CARD

With the MMTS trains currently carrying one lakh passengers daily, the number was expected to touch 1.5 lakh after the addition of new coaches. Apart from expanding the capacity of the existing trains, new services would be started after the coaches were delivered.

He said the amenities would be upgraded like “never before” by providing ‘spot your train' facility through audio-visual display. In addition to automatic ticket vending machines functioning in six of the 23 stations, another 75 had been sanctioned. A unique aspect of the smart card was that it was valid in the entire zone

In the first stage of phase-II, laying of a new line from Umdanagar to Rajiv Gandhi International Airport and doubling from Falaknuma-Umdanagar would be taken up. Other works include restoration and electrification of Telapur-Patancheru, Secunderabad-Moula-Ali sections and doubling and electrification of Sanathnagar-Moula-Ali sections. The second stage works include doubling and electrification of Moula-Ali-Malkajgiri-Sithaphalmandi, Bolarum-Medchal sections and quadrupling and electrification Moula-Alui-Ghatkesar sections. With the extension of MMTS reach in the second phase, it was expected that the three lakh passengers would be using the services daily. As part of improving passenger amenities, multi-level car parking areas, cafeteria and lifts would be provided.

[sumant]

Originally Posted by Abhishek901

Do you think Indian Railway's trains look like this

i knew they cant .but someone from another indian forums had posted this pic saying this is what the new mmts train service looks like.