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Old July 28th, 2006, 07:15 AM   #201
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If you have any question about the speed of Guangzhou metro, please google it
And I made a mistake, the actual speed of Guangzhou metro is 135 KM/H, not 120KM/h.
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&...+world&spell=1

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Fastest advanced metro starts service
By Cai Xiong (China Daily)
Updated: 2005-12-26 05:31



GUANGZHOU: The world's fastest underground train will zip through South China's Guangdong provincial capital this morning, starting a service that will hopefully tackle the city's heavy traffic problem.

Consisting of three train cars and worth more than 36 million yuan (US$4.5 million), it is the most advanced underground train on the Chinese mainland.

The train, speeding 135 kilometres an hour, will take less than an hour to get from Panyu in southern Guangzhou to the city's international airport in Guangzhou's northern Huadu District.

"The operation of the Metro Line 3 will greatly help ease Guangzhou's heavy traffic pressure and benefit more than 200,000 residents who are now living along the subway line," Zhang Changjun, deputy chief engineer with Guangzhou Metro Corp, said in a press conference over the weekend.

The metro train makes its debut journey on Guangzhou's Metro Line 3, which runs from the city's south to the north across the Pearl River.

"At the beginning, the advanced and the fastest underground will be operating among only six stations from Chigang in Guangzhou's Haizhu District to Guangzhou's Tianhe Railway Station on Guangzhou's Metro Line 3," said Zhang.

The fast train that has 142 seats reaches a capacity of 675 passengers, and the train cars will be able to operate for more than 30 years.

Guangzhou's Metro Line 3, the longest subway line in the city, runs from Panyu Square in the city's Panyu District to the new Guangzhou International Airport.

When it begins full operation in future years, it will run a course of more than 84 kilometres.

With advanced technologies and facilities, passengers can enjoy live broadcasting of many television programmes while they are enjoying their underground trips on the Metro Line 3, Zhang said.

Qiao Zhuanghua, a Guangzhou resident, said she had been longing for operation of the Metro Line 3 for years.

"It will take me only half an hour, from home, to reach my office in Tianhe District (a new business centre in Guangzhou)," Qiao told China Daily yesterday.

Qiao lives in Guangzhou's Panyu District, once known as a suburban area of the southern metropolis.

Made by Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Corp in Central China's Hunan Province, each of the train cars are 2.8 metres wide and 19.98 metres long.

Apart from the fast train, Guangzhou underground's other services Metro Line 1 and Line 2 operate at a speed of about 60 kilometres an hour.

To further improve the city's environment, Guangzhou municipal government decided to start annual construction and operation of a new subway line in the following six years.

The city's Metro Line 4 will soon start operation in the first half of 2006, joining the advanced underground network that includes 143 metro stations.

Guangzhou plans on having eight subway lines, totalling 229.6 kilometres in length, servicing the city when it holds the Asian Games in 2010.


(China Daily 12/26/2005 page3)
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Old July 28th, 2006, 08:35 AM   #202
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damn, they got nice stations there
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Old July 28th, 2006, 02:50 PM   #203
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If you have any question about the speed of Guangzhou metro, please google it
And I made a mistake, the actual speed of Guangzhou metro is 135 KM/H, not 120KM/h.
Is 135 km/h the normal / average speed of Guangzhou metro?
I think it may be the maximum speed of the vehicles, or not?..:s
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Old July 28th, 2006, 03:43 PM   #204
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135 would be the max. speed.

Fastest average speed is Moscow and Minsk at 40km/h.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 04:05 PM   #205
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135. Its' just like the InterCity .
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Guangzhou will also expand its metro line to 650KM in the next 10 years.
holy!!

The subway stations are realy modern...
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Old July 29th, 2006, 03:27 AM   #206
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mmm Fast public transit.....Vancouver' skytrain only does about 80km/h...
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Old July 29th, 2006, 03:42 AM   #207
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135kmph average
now that should be public transit's next gen of thinking
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Old July 29th, 2006, 05:29 AM   #208
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There is no way any metro system can go this fast unless there are very
long stretches of track without stations, which is rare in an actual metro
system. Of course, some systems are only metros per say, i.e. they in fact
are more like regular commuter rail.

In fact, I believe normal commuter rail cannot go that fast in North America,
where train technology is underdeveloped. I haven't been on many metros,
but the one here in Toronto goes I think at a max of 70km/h and the avg.
is much lower. We have some clusters of stations less than 500m apart, which
probably doesn't allow the train to go above 40-50km/h even when there is
no traffic on the railway.
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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:10 AM   #209
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It is so.....

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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:20 AM   #210
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135kmph average
now that should be public transit's next gen of thinking
Average 135km/h? Impossible!

That must be top speed...
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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:53 PM   #211
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no I meant that should be the future of public transit
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Old July 29th, 2006, 10:32 PM   #212
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The avg speed of Guangzhou metro(line 1 and line 2) is 60km.

However, the length of the 3rd line of Guangzhou metro is 84km, that means 60km/h is not fast enough. That is why Guangzhou needs a high speed train. I guess the avg speed of this line will be around 80-90Km/h, and maxium speed is around 125-135km/h.

IMO, TTC was built many years ago, you shouldn't compare it with the latest Guangzhou metro.

As I said before, 7 metro lines are now under construction in Guangzhou at the same time, the total length will be expanded to 255KM in 2010 , and 650Km before 2020.

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There is no way any metro system can go this fast unless there are very
long stretches of track without stations, which is rare in an actual metro
system. Of course, some systems are only metros per say, i.e. they in fact
are more like regular commuter rail.

In fact, I believe normal commuter rail cannot go that fast in North America,
where train technology is underdeveloped. I haven't been on many metros,
but the one here in Toronto goes I think at a max of 70km/h and the avg.
is much lower. We have some clusters of stations less than 500m apart, which
probably doesn't allow the train to go above 40-50km/h even when there is
no traffic on the railway.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 05:58 AM   #213
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I agree, and I definitely think it's extremely cool Most new Chinese
projects look impressive.

I was just mainly saying that unless there are huge distances between stations,
it is impossible to reach and maintain very high speeds, no matter how fast
the train is.

Interestingly, I heard that the rubber wheels used in the Montreal metro
combined with its linear induction motors provide it with impressive acceleration,
something which I had myself witnessed when visiting there (the train seemed
to have attained its max cruise speed of around 50-60 when it was still going
halfway through the station ).

I wonder what kind of trains Guangzhou uses.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 11:08 AM   #214
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Looks really clean. Why didn't they join up Lines 2 and 4?
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Old July 30th, 2006, 11:26 AM   #215
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It sounds weird hearing ''fastest metro''. Sounds like a contradicton because after all, a metro is supposed to have relatively short distances between stations and its impossible to reach high speeds by today's standards on such a short stretch. After all, why would a tran accelerate to 100km/h and above on for instance a km stretch?
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It sounds weird hearing ''fastest metro''. Sounds like a contradicton because after all, a metro is supposed to have relatively short distances between stations and its impossible to reach high speeds by today's standards on such a short stretch. After all, why would a tran accelerate to 100km/h and above on for instance a km stretch?

Based on the long term plan, Guang Zhou Line 3 will extend northbound to new airport, southbound to Fanyu, cross Guanzhou New Town and reach Seagull Island. Line 3's total length will be 84km, longest among all GZ's subway lines. It will take 1.5 hours for normal speed subways (60km/h) running from start to end.

That's why they designed this 135km/h subway train for line 3.
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Based on the long term plan, Guang Zhou Line 3 will extend northbound to new airport, southbound to Fanyu, cross Guanzhou New Town and reach Seagull Island. Line 3's total length will be 84km, longest among all GZ's subway lines. It will take 1.5 hours for normal speed subways (60km/h) running from start to end.

That's why they designed this 135km/h subway train for line 3.
The speed of a train is not dependent upon the length of the line, rather it is distance between stations. Whats the average distance between stations on this line, and is the train able to accelerate to 135km/h during that travel time? If not then this is not the fastest metro because the train never actually reaches that speed.

If it does then Guangzhou has the fastest metro train, not the entire metro being the fastest in the world.

Is 135 the designed speed or operating speed or average speed?
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Old July 30th, 2006, 01:58 PM   #218
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The speed of a train is not dependent upon the length of the line, rather it is distance between stations. Whats the average distance between stations on this line, and is the train able to accelerate to 135km/h during that travel time? If not then this is not the fastest metro because the train never actually reaches that speed.

If it does then Guangzhou has the fastest metro train, not the entire metro being the fastest in the world.

Is 135 the designed speed or operating speed or average speed?
I guess 135km/h is the max speed. Normally the airport metro line has a long distance between stations and has a chance to reach a high speed.

135km/h is a pretty normal speed for inter-city trains or commuter rails but for metro trains it's a record. (considering normall metro only runs at 30-40km/h)

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Old August 2nd, 2006, 09:22 PM   #219
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135km/h is the vehicle's max speed, not even max operational speed. There is no way that the subway car can accelerate to 135km between two stations without throwing its passengers onto the floor.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 02:42 AM   #220
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More photos about Guangzhou metro~










http://www.urbanrail.net/as/guan/guangzhou-map-2010.gif

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