Population Statistics Thread

[Mickeebee]

I live by the river and the citycats look damn empty to me.
Only saying what I see.

[JayT]

Originally Posted by Mickeebee

Brisbane's is non-existant mostly but the Ferry's are up and running again but barely anyone uses them, I had to buy a car up here because it's so car centric. If you can't beat em' join em'.

You live in Kangaroo Pont FFS. It’s a hole and is probably one of the only suburbs not serviced well with Public Transport. Spring Hill is the other one. You should get out more.

Originally Posted by zach24

^ or just leave and move back?

Then he can go back to using coins LOL. Seriously when is Sydney gonna catch up??? Brisbane’s PT has been cashless for years and now even Melbourne is going cashless. Sydney is so 20th century LOL.

Originally Posted by Dimethyltryptamine

don't Sydney's ferries get like 14 million a year?

Brisbane Citycats - 7 million - Pop: 2 million
Sydney Ferries - 14 million - Pop. 4.5 million

Seems fairly normal to me...

What about Melbourne's ferries? Oh wait....

Originally Posted by tic

Interesting - Mandurah and Bunbury doing very well in the west as is coastal Qld.

and @Mickebee, really, I don't give a rats about your opinions. To do so, would require me to have some respect for you. What I will do, is correct your glaringly banal comments, such as "hardly anyone uses Brisbane's Citycats", when in fact 7 million people do. Ironically you bash Jayt for his untruths. You are every bit as bad.

mmmok.

Untruths? Thats just Mickebee's opinion, which given his recent comments accounts for nothing .

[Mickeebee]

/\/\ WTF, most Brisbane suburbs ARE holes.
New Farm would have to be the most dissappointing, overrated and boring mess of a suburb I've ever come across. More the fool me for exepcting something even close to Potts Point, Darlinghurst or Sth Yarra.

[jarden]

Originally Posted by Oriolus

Heres a screen cap of all the SD population figures.

Thanks Oriolus for the table. I don't have excel on my computer so can't post or even open attachments ending in .ixl.

[tayser]

La Trobe Valley 80k? here's me thinking it was less than 50k.

Here comes Ballarat and Bendigo charging toward the 100k marks

[Mickeebee]

I always get confused with the Latrobe Valley. So is it Trafalgar/Moe/Newborough/Yallourn North/Morwell/Traralgon????

[Choko]

Originally Posted by Oriolus

Heres a screen cap of all the SD population figures. Someone else is quite welcome to present it in a more user friendly manner. The biggest change in rank was Mandurah overtaking Mackay to move into 21st place. And Townsville is slowly edging closer to Geelong

Cheers for the analysis Oriolus, much appreciated.

I was under the impression Mandurah would be absorbed into Perth SD after the 2011 Census, so the days of it being its own SD are numbered.

Stupid question warning: Reading the table above, it appears towns need a population greater than 30,000 to be defined as a SD. Is this correct?

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

I think a few people here need to kiss and make up...

Mickeebee - the ferries are quiet yes, but that's only because of the floods and their current limited role in the network. Once the whole network is up and running again the ferries will be standing room only. I find South Bank, Riverside (in particular) as well as North Quay and UQ to be the busiest terminals.

Jay T - you keep giving the example of Sydney being behind the times with ticketing - yes this is true...but that's what happens when you have a shit arse government running around like headless chooks. Still, it is one example of a few areas that Sydney has dragged the chain in. However there are plenty of examples where Brisbane has dragged the chain as well so don't make out like it is at the forefront of change and progress.

[Choko]

Originally Posted by Mickeebee

I always get confused with the Latrobe Valley. So is it Trafalgar/Moe/Newborough/Yallourn North/Morwell/Traralgon????

Here's the best way to find the boundaries of the area you're searching for:

- www.abs.gov.au
- Click 'Census' (links across top of page)
- Click 'Data' on the links on the left side of the page
- Click on the '2006 QuickStats' link
- Click on the 'Map' tab
- Select the type of location from the drop down box (in Mickeebee's instance, choose Statistical District
- Map will eventually load, I've noticed it's been slow to load recently. You can pan/zoom onto the location via the map.

RE: Latrobe Valley SD includes the towns Mickeebee mentioned plus Churchill and other surrounding rural areas. Almost mirrors the Latrobe LGA.

[Mickeebee]

/\/\ Thanks so much. That's great.

[NZer]

Some things never change.
Population threads on SSC always generate friction of some kind.

On the topic of poulation growth, I would be interested to know the reason for growth in some of those regional centres.
Seems like the only thing many of them have to offer is 'peace and quiet'.

[JayT]

Originally Posted by Mickeebee

/\/\ WTF, most Brisbane suburbs ARE holes.
New Farm would have to be the most dissappointing, overrated and boring mess of a suburb I've ever come across. More the fool me for exepcting something even close to Potts Point, Darlinghurst or Sth Yarra.

If you were coming here specifically to find a carbon copy of Sydney then you won’t find it. And given your moaning about not having any friends here I’m not surprised considering your pessimistic attitude.

You should perhaps open your mind a little more to what’s around you and live for the present instead of moaning and groaning about it not being like Sydney. Once you leave Brisbane and the realization hits that you never really experienced it, it will seem like a gigantic waste of time.

I think you should make some friends and then get out and experience life. It’s all out there beyond your front door. Stop complaining and do something about it, that’s what I would do.

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I think its time we got back on track!!!

With regards to the figures its good to see that three of the four fastest growing council areas (in terms of actual numbers) are in SEQ. It goes to show that the majority of people who move to Queensland still settle in the urban SE corner.

[Mornnb]

Then he can go back to using coins LOL. Seriously when is Sydney gonna catch up??? Brisbane’s PT has been cashless for years and now even Melbourne is going cashless. Sydney is so 20th century LOL.

Sydney aimed to be cashless in the 90s in time for the Sydney olympics, New York was already cashless and it was thought Sydney needed to not seem behind in anything while in the worlds spotlight.
The state government went for a custom system and hasn't got it working in 13 years.
Another of the many reasons they lost the election.
But it seems we are getting a copy of the Brisbane system, one of the last actions of the Labor government was to go to cubic, the people who created the go card. So, Sydney will catch up by 2012. The Tcard!
http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-ne...tcard-contract

/\/\ WTF, most Brisbane suburbs ARE holes.
New Farm would have to be the most dissappointing, overrated and boring mess of a suburb I've ever come across. More the fool me for exepcting something even close to Potts Point, Darlinghurst or Sth Yarra.

Most suburbs are holes.... Potts Point and Darlinghurst are rare exceptions. Head out to western Sydney some time if you want to see some real holes. It sounds like you are more of an urbanite who hates suburbs anyway. Potts Point and Darlinghurst are really more inner-city than suburb. There are a lot of people in Sydney who might like Brisbane. But they wouldn't be the type who'd be in Potts Point or Darlinghurst. Infact Surfers Paradise is probably a better comparison to Sydney than anything in Brisbane, it's like a mix of south George Street, Kings Cross and Bondi.

[Mickeebee]

/\/\ without cool people.

[tayser]

http://theage.domain.com.au/real-est...331-1cng1.html

City's population explosion
Tim Colebatch
April 1, 2011

MELBOURNE'S outer suburbs are growing faster than any other area in Australia, part of a record-breaking trend that has seen Melbourne's population closing the gap on Sydney.

The city's outer suburbs are leaving coastal Queensland and Western Australia's mining towns in their dust, as more than 1000 people a week pour into Melbourne's fringe.

New figures from the Bureau of Statistics show that while the boom in overseas immigration cooled off all over Australia in 2009-10, Melbourne was again the centre of Australia's population growth.


Melbourne's growth in the past 9 years equals roughly six Ballarats, three Hobarts or one Gold Coast.

■ In the year to June 2010, Melbourne is estimated to have grown by 79,000 people, or more than 1500 a week. For the ninth consecutive year, Melbourne had the biggest growth of any city in Australia.

■ Since 2001, Melbourne has gained 605,000 new residents, up 17 per cent, rapidly pushing out the urban boundary in every growth corridor. That is far ahead of growth of 447,000 in Sydney, 380,000 in Brisbane, and 303,000 in Perth.

■ For the first time in almost 30 years, Melbourne's population is within 500,000 of Sydney's, and gaining. If the growth rates of 2001-10 continued, Melbourne would overtake Sydney in 2028, when each city would have roughly 5.6 million people. At June 30 last year Sydney had 4.575 million people to Melbourne's 4.077 million.


Illustration: Tandberg

■No other city in Australia has ever recorded growth of this size. It has strained the city's infrastructure and services, adding to congestion on the roads, delays, overcrowding on public transport and waiting times in hospital emergency wards. Some believe it was a key factor in Labor's unexpected loss at the 2010 state election.

■The four fastest-growing municipalities in Australia in 2009-10 were all on Melbourne's fringe. Wyndham (which includes Werribee), Melton, Whittlesea (South Morang) and Cardinia (Cranbourne) left behind all the boom areas of other states, with their combined populations growing by 33,216 or 7 per cent.

Wyndham alone added 12,600 people last year, matching Victoria's entire population growth at one point during the Kennett government. Since 2001 it has added almost 70,000 people, roughly equal to adding a city the size of Bundaberg to Melbourne's south-west fringe.

Last year its growth in absolute numbers almost matched that of the Gold Coast. It puts pressure on the Baillieu government to press on with the new train line begun by the Brumby government, one of the many big-ticket projects under review.

The fall in arrivals of overseas students cut Melbourne's population growth sharply in 2009-10, from 96,000 a year earlier. But the bureau estimates that growth shrank overwhelmingly in the middle and inner suburbs, where most students live. Growth on the outer fringe barely lost a beat.

In 2009-10, based on the bureau estimates, roughly 68 per cent of the city's new people settled more than 20 kilometres from the GPO. That was a sharp rise from 58 per cent over the previous three years.

The NIMBY (not-in-my-back-yard) syndrome continues to limit redevelopment in inner and middle areas. The blockage of supply has seen house and unit prices soar in inner areas, giving lower-income buyers no choice but to live far out.

Over the nine years since Melbourne replaced Sydney as Australia's growth centre, five in every eight new residents has had to settle more than 20 kilometres from the GPO. Of Melbourne's 4,077,000 people at June 30 last year, roughly 1,814,000, or almost half, lived more than 20 kilometres out.

But the inner circle population has also grown sharply, rising by 74,000 or 30 per cent.

The pace of inner urban growth has slowed in recent years, but with a forest of new apartment towers approved over recent months, it appears set to rebound rapidly. you only have to look at the threads in VicScrapers - we're building more than early in the 2000s - just more dispersed around the inner city now

Victoria's growth dropped to 99,000 in 2009-10, down from a record 120,000 a year earlier. Nearly all that decline was in Melbourne, with regional Victoria accounting for a quarter of the state's population growth.

Planning Minister Matthew Guy said the Baillieu government was acutely aware of infrastructure and housing shortages, and promised strategies early in this term to address the problems.

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kudos to the Age for making the link between Western population growth and the various rail infrastructure projects conceived in the previous government.

[Svartmetall]

This must have put tremendous pressure on Melbourne's infrastructure. I'm surprised that more hasn't been actioned in the past 9 years to improve service delivery than I have seen.

Still, they are certainly impressive figures. I doubt few (if any) cities in the OEDC have grown quite this fast.

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

Seems silly to compare Melbourne's growth figures with Sydney's growth figures from the Carr 'no growth' era, when the population was growing at 26k/yr to the past few years of 75k/85k+.

These are just far flung newspaper articles based on huge variations in population growth. If we extended population growth figures back to the early 90s when Melbourne was growing at 12k/yr (or thereabouts), there wouldn't be much of a case.

Who knows, in the next ten years what might happen and then obviously after that...

[tayser]

Dallas, Houston & Atlanta all put on 1 million in the last decade.

2000
1 New York 18,323,002
2 Los Angeles 12,365,627
3 Chicago 9,098,316
4 Philadelphia 5,687,147
5 Dallas 5,161,544
6 Miami 5,007,564
7 Washington 4,796,183
8 Houston 4,715,407
9 Detroit 4,452,557
10 Boston 4,391,344
11 Atlanta 4,247,981
12 San Francisco 4,123,740
13 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, Calif. 3,254,821
14 Phoenix 3,251,876
15 Seattle 3,043,878
16 Minneapolis-St. Paul 2,968,806
17 San Diego 2,813,833
18 St. Louis 2,698,687
19 Baltimore 2,552,994
20 Pittsburgh 2,431,087

2010
1 New York 18,897,109
2 Los Angeles 12,828,837
3 Chicago 9,461,105
4 Dallas 6,371,773
5 Philadelphia 5,965,343
6 Houston 5,946,800
7 Washington 5,582,170
8 Miami 5,564,635
9 Atlanta 5,268,860
10 Boston 4,552,402
11 San Francisco 4,335,391
12 Detroit 4,296,250
13 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, Calif. 4,224,851
14 Phoenix 4,192,887
15 Seattle 3,439,809
16 Minneapolis-St. Paul 3,279,833
17 San Diego 3,095,313
18 St. Louis 2,812,896
19 Tampa, Fla. 2,783,243
20 Baltimore 2,710,489

[finn]

Originally Posted by Oriolus

Heres a screen cap of all the SD population figures. Someone else is quite welcome to present it in a more user friendly manner. The biggest change in rank was Mandurah overtaking Mackay to move into 21st place. And Townsville is slowly edging closer to Geelong

Also looks like Albury-Wodonga will overtake Launceston in next year's release and Bunbury *may* leapfrog Bundaberg. Plus GC-Tweed will pass the 600K mark.

[tayser]

Originally Posted by Sky_Is_The_Limit

Seems silly to compare Melbourne's growth figures with Sydney's growth figures from the Carr 'no growth' era, when the population was growing at 26k/yr to the past few years of 75k/85k+.

These are just far flung newspaper articles based on huge variations in population growth. If we extended population growth figures back to the early 90s when Melbourne was growing at 12k/yr (or thereabouts), there wouldn't be much of a case.

Who knows, in the next ten years what might happen and then obviously after that...

NSW is politically about two decades behind VIC - you haven't had your Kennett moment - some may say it just happened, but when a large amount of the people elected last weekend were put there on anti-development grounds (3 from memory - going by ABC24's coverage) - I dare say you're not going to have much change. Like when Bracks/Brumby came in there has been no drastic change from the Kennett era - Victoria is stuck/still drunk is growth is good, NSW - who knows.

With Kennett you knew what was going to happen (come in with a knife and shake the shit out of -everything- as at the time VIC was in a much worse position than what NSW is in now / has been in the recent past), the new NSW government? eh meh, not as decisive.

Victoria is a net consumption state and that's what produces the economic growth, is Ted going to change that? hah nope. Get used to it.