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[acc521]

Sanj, the government should encourage this kind of development. It's the - a house is cheaper to build so let's just keep sprawling them fact that results from the current situation that results in the issues we have here. It's the choice thing again. While it's probably true that a majority would rather live on a big block out in the sticks it's also true that a lot of families would love to live in a more vibrant ''European style'' suburb.

[jonwil]

This city needs a LOT more options for young singles with limited means to afford to live in that dont require living in a shoebox, living in an apartment with an ugly 1950s/60s interior with half the fixtures falling apart, spending a fortune on rent or living 2 hours from the CBD in suburbs like Rockingham.

I say this as someone in that exact situation currently living in a 1 bedroom apartment in Victoria Park that has the aforementioned ugly interior and dated fixtures (although to be fair, the apartment is certainly satisfactory for my needs and is better than others I checked out before deciding on this one)

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by jonwil

This city needs a LOT more options for young singles with limited means to afford to live in that dont require living in a shoebox, living in an apartment with an ugly 1950s/60s interior with half the fixtures falling apart, spending a fortune on rent or living 2 hours from the CBD in suburbs like Rockingham.

I say this as someone in that exact situation currently living in a 1 bedroom apartment in Victoria Park that has the aforementioned ugly interior and dated fixtures (although to be fair, the apartment is certainly satisfactory for my needs and is better than others I checked out before deciding on this one)

This is exactly what I'm talking about!

Where in the world do you think people on "limited means" live in brand new apartments in prime areas?

[jackso]

High-rise plan for Osborne Park
BEATRICE THOMAS

High-rise buildings of up to 20 storeys in new residential areas, retail-oriented main streets and a transport system underpinned by a cycling network and light-rail route are key features in a landmark document to guide planning near the Osborne Park industrial and retail hub.

Described as a key component in the 20-year vision to turn the Stirling city centre into Perth's second CBD, the City of Stirling's draft Herdsman-Glendalough Concept Structure Plan envisions almost 4000 new dwellings in six precincts bounded by Jon Sanders Drive, Selby Street North, just north of Scarborough Beach Road and north-east of Glendalough train station.

Under the plan, mixed-use developments with one and two-bedroom apartments would emerge along and south of Scarborough Beach Road, capitalising on its location near Herdsman Lake.

Up to 20 storeys is proposed for pockets around Glendalough train station, with 10-storey height limits around Herdsman Business Park and six and four-storey limits further north. New "main streets" would be on the site of the old Ikea store and along an extended Sundercombe Street.

The document, which is set to go before council tomorrow ahead of public comment, includes a light-rail network from Glendalough to Stirling train stations and Copenhagen-style two-way bicycle lanes on major roads.

To deter and limit car use, a related draft transport strategy suggests a mandatory reduction in parking bays through cash-in-lieu payments, paid parking and a parking levy similar to one imposed for parking bays in the CBD that funds the CAT bus service.

About $4 million a year could be generated from a $250 a bay parking levy in the Stirling city centre and fund light rail operations.
Stirling planning and development director Ross Povey said the plan was one of several and would precede further detailed planning for the Scarborough Beach Road corridor, which was expected to grow from 27,000 residents up to 54,000 and from 25,000 workers up to 47,000 by 2031.

Sauce

[PD]

Why a 10 storey limit in herdsman?
The herdsman area is already an office hub and should be able to facilitate much higher height limits than that.

[PD]

double post

[jarkti]

There was an actual smart person on Channel 7 news tonight!!

It was about the fires, he said that his been waiting for a big fire to burn alot of homes down.
He said that Perth shouldnt be sprawling into bushland, it should be building up in inner city area so we dont have to, I almost choked when he said it!

[andrewM]

A few months ago I drove up around Kalamunda for the first time in a few years and was shocked by the build up of fuel around Kala, Lesmurdie, Walliston, and Gooseberry hill and the suprising lack of consideration in regards to trees etc growing close to houses. With the easterlies we have been having I think the damage to property and possibly life would have been far higher had the fire started say, in the valley to the east of Kalamunda Hospital.

Traditionally, most fires around Kala seem to start on the escarpment (usually I suspect by bored school kids) and burn up it, but the escarpment is relatively barren compared to the valleys to the east. If they don't do something about it, Roleystone will be miniscule in comparison.

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by PD

Why a 10 storey limit in herdsman?
The herdsman area is already an office hub and should be able to facilitate much higher height limits than that.

Perhaps some concerns about parking and traffic stunted anything higher. I'm not sure the road network is so finely developed to cope with major increases in traffic unlike the Perth CBD. 10 storeys will make a huge difference though.

There may also be concerns with how such dense development would interact with Lake Herdsman and, the extra population with the lack of community facilities/schools etc.

[Skyline Art]

Originally Posted by jarkti

There was an actual smart person on Channel 7 news tonight!!

It was about the fires, he said that his been waiting for a big fire to burn alot of homes down.
He said that Perth shouldnt be sprawling into bushland, it should be building up in inner city area so we dont have to, I almost choked when he said it!

Maybe he is part of a anti-sprawl conspiracy group or was one of the persons who "accidentally" or "purposely" lit the fires. why else would he say such a thing on the news

he doesn't seem to care about the people who live in the bush

However, it is all true imo, Perth should not be sprawling into bushland. Conserving as much as possible and growing up along major PT routes, establishing new major train lines if required and increasing densities around those new PT routes.

... So yes that news reader ha obviously had a good education.

[PD]

Originally Posted by aaronaugi1

Perhaps some concerns about parking and traffic stunted anything higher. I'm not sure the road network is so finely developed to cope with major increases in traffic unlike the Perth CBD. 10 storeys will make a huge difference though.

There may also be concerns with how such dense development would interact with Lake Herdsman and, the extra population with the lack of community facilities/schools etc.

I always knew you were a closet nimby

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by PD

I always knew you were a closet nimby

I know you're not being overly serious but I believe these are legetimate concerns.

Herdsman isn't exactly a transport hub and traffic could become a serious issue. I'm not saying development shouldn't proceed or that we should focus on building capacity in the private transport network, BUT, I think we should be looking at ways of getting the best out of the existing network during development, rather than trying to retrofit roads, bus lanes, bicycle lanes etc later.

Same applies for the lack of high school and primary schools in what is otherwise and business park.

[JWPJ]

The 10 storey limit at Herdsman could well be due to the unstable soils in that area... if you drive along Jon Sanders Dr you can definitely feel areas where the road has subsided, after all it is ex-swampland.

[WillG]

There may not be schools in the centre of the business area but there are a tonne not far from it. Churchlands Primary, Churchlands High, Woodlands Primary, Holy Rosary, Hale and Newman to name a few.

[PD]

Originally Posted by aaronaugi1

I know you're not being overly serious but I believe these are legetimate concerns.

Herdsman isn't exactly a transport hub and traffic could become a serious issue. I'm not saying development shouldn't proceed or that we should focus on building capacity in the private transport network, BUT, I think we should be looking at ways of getting the best out of the existing network during development, rather than trying to retrofit roads, bus lanes, bicycle lanes etc later.

Same applies for the lack of high school and primary schools in what is otherwise and business park.

Understood, but I dont see a better place for a Chatswood style second CBD than the Herdsman area (Belmont/rivervale woudl be my 2nd choice).

Can you imagine high density apartments in Glendalough, A CBD with activated streetfronts (retail/cafes) in Herdsman, an entertainment/retail precinct in Innaloo and all this connected to the Stirling CBD they are planning. What an Urban Hub!

All this is close to the freeway and supported by 2 heavy rail stations.
This was then all interconnected by light rail which would also link up to Scarborough Beach...

[GAbE27]

you can have all of that and not exceed 5 storeys tho...

[PD]

Originally Posted by GAbE27

you can have all of that and not exceed 5 storeys tho...

You coooooouuuuuuld...

but I was envisaging it a little higher.

[crave]

i've seen some of tha burnt out homes online, tha bush is literally on peoples back porch...

hmm. whatever happened to fire-breaks?

[BartBart]

I could be wrong, but don't people have to get permission to clear trees from their block?

[RallyOz19]

Originally Posted by PD

Why a 10 storey limit in herdsman?
The herdsman area is already an office hub and should be able to facilitate much higher height limits than that.

The part of Herdsman near the train station is actually 20 stories in the plan.
Is that better?

The other reason to limit Herdsman would be to give Stirling a chance to be taller.

Originally Posted by JWPJ

The 10 storey limit at Herdsman could well be due to the unstable soils in that area... if you drive along Jon Sanders Dr you can definitely feel areas where the road has subsided, after all it is ex-swampland.

The soil that the office park is built on is different to the road. That current lumpy road surface is about the 85th try at resurfacing it, btw.