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Old June 29th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #1
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Groundscrapers

what do you think of skyscrapers that runs hundreds of meters underground instead of above ground?
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Old June 29th, 2009, 03:19 AM   #2
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I don't know much about any "GroundScraper", or never even heard it in my life before, but I know the london tube goes really deep.

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Old June 29th, 2009, 04:56 AM   #3
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i've heard about carbon mines that go 300 meters into the ground
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Old June 29th, 2009, 05:56 AM   #4
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I don't think any of those exist. It would not be very energy efficient.

When I think of a groundscraper I think of a building that represents a skyscraper on its side like this one from Moneo.

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Old June 29th, 2009, 09:59 AM   #5
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When I think of a groundscraper I think of a building that represents a skyscraper on its side like this one from Moneo.

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Yea, same here.

I wonder if there is a Groundscrapercity.com...
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Old June 30th, 2009, 05:17 AM   #6
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Neat groundscraper in India:

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Rani-ki-vav - Patan, Gujarat - c. 1050 - [Source]
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Old June 30th, 2009, 06:00 AM   #7
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I agree. Groundscrapers are long, low buildings, usually found in suburban areas. Where I live, there's a lot of huge distribution centers, which I would think fit that description.

I've heard the term "geofront" applied to the concept of a deep, multilevel underground building. Perhaps "Corescraper" would be a more poetic term... the real opposite of a skyscraper.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 06:07 AM   #8
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I don't think any of those exist. It would not be very energy efficient.

on the contrary it would be very energy efficient. the temperature underground is very constant, around 55 degrees i believe, contrary to above ground tempatures that can swing from very hot temperatures to very cold temperatures causing the use of air conditioners and heaters. all you need really is a ventilation system to keep the air fresh. the biggest energy usage would be for lighting because there is no natural light. but with CFL's and LED's the cost of lighting rooms will be minimal.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 06:48 AM   #9
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I agree. Groundscrapers are long, low buildings, usually found in suburban areas. Where I live, there's a lot of huge distribution centers, which I would think fit that description.

I've heard the term "geofront" applied to the concept of a deep, multilevel underground building. Perhaps "Corescraper" would be a more poetic term... the real opposite of a skyscraper.
I propose to consider "lithoscraper"!
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Old July 1st, 2009, 05:41 AM   #10
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on the contrary it would be very energy efficient. the temperature underground is very constant, around 55 degrees i believe, contrary to above ground tempatures that can swing from very hot temperatures to very cold temperatures causing the use of air conditioners and heaters. all you need really is a ventilation system to keep the air fresh. the biggest energy usage would be for lighting because there is no natural light. but with CFL's and LED's the cost of lighting rooms will be minimal.
I agree... the only thing, though, is the tremendous expense of energy in excavating the buildings. Also, I wonder whether the structure would need to be engineered more or less strongly than a traditional building, what with both the pressure, and the support, from the surrounding earth.

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I propose to consider "lithoscraper"!
It does roll off the tongue more easily...
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Old July 1st, 2009, 06:04 AM   #11
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I Guess Our Grounscraper would be this one...

The Bancolombia Headquarters:







I think it's nice.

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Old July 2nd, 2009, 05:09 AM   #12
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I agree... very cool, modern HQ.
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 05:12 AM   #13
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generally a groundscraper is a building on the ground that if you turned up on its side or cut into bits and stacked up would be a skyscraper.

eg -



or this 150 metre long bugger -



and this is a mega groundscraper, it's over 1000m long and you can only see a small section of it!

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then I propose the term undergroundscraper.

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yay i created a new word
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Old July 5th, 2009, 07:21 AM   #15
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I agree... the only thing, though, is the tremendous expense of energy in excavating the buildings. Also, I wonder whether the structure would need to be engineered more or less strongly than a traditional building, what with both the pressure, and the support, from the surrounding earth..

With the Parrahub concept http://www.parrahub.org.au/ the excavation would pay for itself with the sale of the crushed sandstone plus the fact that the land cost for the car park and station would be covered by the building on the surface.
As far as the structural cost goes I think that because the car park horizontally curved precast floor slabs would be constrained by the surrounding rock they would not have to be prestressed saving a significant amount of money.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #16
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Something from Poland:
first commieblock in Gdańsk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falowiec"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falowiec




and this from Łodź
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Old July 15th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #17
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the one in the first pic is really long!
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Old July 15th, 2009, 01:27 PM   #18
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the one in the first pic is really long!
about 1ooo m and the second one is a hospital


this one is about 1400 m but not in straight line...
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Old July 15th, 2009, 04:38 PM   #19
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This is the 'Groot Handelsgebouw' (Big tradecentre) in Rotterdam.
It was build in 1947-1952. It's floor space is 110.000 m2
Once build it was the biggest building in the Netherlands.
On top, you have got a fine terrace, which can be rent for some occasions like party's.

If took these pictures from the Dutch Forum.
Don't know who made the first 2.

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These ones are from Topaas. A Dutch forum member.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 05:56 PM   #20
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heh Iluminat to sie popisales... przczytaj pierwszy post i nie wrzucaj smieci
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