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arturo · August 21st, 2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by emanuv

what am I supposed to think about this?I realize that you come from san jose...

The most high skyscraper of LA were built in 80s/90s...
sf plannign commission have change idea only 3 deacade later?!?

well i live in san jose, but work near san francisco. i spend t least one day a week in sf or oakland so i'd say i'm pretty pan-bay area. i love san jose, but i also love every other city in the bay.

and the main reason the planning commission is now coming around to skyscrapers again is because a new part of the city (SOMA) has opened up to new construction. the main opposition in the 70s/80s came from residents in north beach/russian hill/nob hill because they were having their views of the bay blocked by the new buildings. the proposed builings now are well south of these neighborhoods and block very few peoples views.

LionKing · August 21st, 2007, 08:54 PM

1. Roger's building : Too macho, too industrial, too heavy-handed, convoluted and un-refined. Not deserving to be in an advanced civilization like SF/Bay Area.
2. Pelli's building : Been there, seen that. Too copy cat, too simple, not original enough for a one of a kind city that is SF. How can he even think of proposing something like this that has already been done in other cities? Does he not think SF deserves to have something totally unique? The only plus in this design is the roof top garden.
3. SOM building : Not too soft, not too hard, just right for SF. It's original, complex, cutting edge, dramatic, high taste. It displays the advanced technical know-hows of SF/Bay Area to conceive and then execute the un-conventionals. The spirit of free moving form, the boldness and creativeness that has made this area the high tech/biotech/IT mecca of the world are all in display here. It's a SF building - I LOVE IT.

emanuv · August 21st, 2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arturo

well i live in san jose, but work near san francisco. i spend t least one day a week in sf or oakland so i'd say i'm pretty pan-bay area. i love san jose, but i also love every other city in the bay.

It was a real quip...naturally!
...luckily... aroused bitter controversy...only with krudmonk.

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Originally Posted by arturo

and the main reason the planning commission is now coming around to skyscrapers again is because a new part of the city (SOMA) has opened up to new construction. the main opposition in the 70s/80s came from residents in north beach/russian hill/nob hill because they were having their views of the bay blocked by the new buildings. the proposed builings now are well south of these neighborhoods and block very few peoples views.

well...let us hope all goes well...and residents in south beach, union square,theater district,civic center will be quiet!

NickABQ · August 21st, 2007, 11:40 PM

I am torn between Pelli's and SOM...think I would go with the last one though.

emanuv · August 21st, 2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NickABQ

I am torn between Pelli's and SOM...think I would go with the last one though.

have anybody see the official site of SOM?
Moving San Francisco into the Future ...not only project details but there are also some animations...

StevenW · August 22nd, 2007, 01:52 AM

Awesome! Thanks!

I love the SOM WITH the Pelli Garden.

krudmonk · August 22nd, 2007, 02:26 AM

Looking at it again, that archway at the base looks rather invasive.

LionKing · August 22nd, 2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by krudmonk

Looking at it again, that archway at the base looks rather invasive.

I have to agree. It's a bit suffocating with all those metal "hulls" on a rather smallish enclosure. Get rid of it and do some vertical gardening.

emanuv · August 22nd, 2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SupahSaints

The second one by Ceasar Pelli (one of my fav architiects) reminds me too much of a copycat of the Bank of China tower in Hong Kong.

...you meant Two International Finance Centre!

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Originally Posted by Shawn

2IFC

I just think SF should aim for something a little more unique and a little less Two-International-Finance-Centre-but-different-sorta.

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Originally Posted by LionKing

2. Pelli's building : Been there, seen that. Too copy cat, too simple, not original enough for a one of a kind city that is SF. How can he even think of proposing something like this that has already been done in other cities? Does he not think SF deserves to have something totally unique? The only plus in this design is the roof top garden.
3. SOM building : Not too soft, not too hard, just right for SF. It's original, complex, cutting edge, dramatic, high taste. It displays the advanced technical know-hows of SF/Bay Area to conceive and then execute the un-conventionals. The spirit of free moving form, the boldness and creativeness that has made this area the high tech/biotech/IT mecca of the world are all in display here. It's a SF building - I LOVE IT.

exactly...that's what I mean.

anyway..Pelli's one is a nice project...I found an animation also about it!
It's a little bit slow loading it...but I counsell patience...

Cesar Pelli Proposal

JoshuaSantos · August 22nd, 2007, 10:37 PM

1) Roger's - I don't hate this one as much as everyone else. I think this is the most original design and the one that has the most character. It really plays homage to the most famous landmark in SF, the golden gate bridge. Is it ugly by today's standards? Yeah, it probably won't work... but it was built 40 or 50 years ago I think it would make sense in SF.
2) Pelli's - Am I the only one that thinks this one looks like a huge misshapen penis? Or a marijuana blunt? Not a big fan.
3) SOM - Gorgeous building. Looks a little bit like it was attacked by spider man, but it is far and away the best design out of the 3. Has the WOW factor for me.

derek5 · August 23rd, 2007, 01:00 AM

I'm going to disagree with most of you. I like Roger's tower the best.

Robert Stark · August 23rd, 2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bay_area

An iconic skyline looks like it will dramatically change in the future. San Francisco's ambitious plans to add a 1000ftr is looking better by the day. The Transbay Tower is expected to the centerpiece of the new Transbay Terminal Project(the terminal alone is expected to cost $4-$6 Billion)...I hope we dont mess this one up.

1. Richard Rogers Proposal

2. Cesar Pelli Proposal

Pictures of Pelli's model (taken by botoxic)

3.Skidmore Owings Merrill Proposal
image hosted on flickr

I personally love SOMs the best. I really dislike Rogers' tower. Pelli's is very elegant but I prefer the last one.

Best Projects: 1.SOM 2.Rogers 3.Pelli

krudmonk · August 23rd, 2007, 02:01 AM

SOM minus the archway

icracked · August 23rd, 2007, 04:48 AM

The first one is not attractive in anyway in my opinion, the 2nd and 3rd on the other hand are both great looking concepts!

emanuv · August 23rd, 2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshuaSantos

1) Roger's - It really plays homage to the most famous landmark in SF, the golden gate bridge. Is it ugly by today's standards? Yeah, it probably won't work... but it was built 40 or 50 years ago I think it would make sense in SF.

I agree with you...but we're in 2007.

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Originally Posted by JoshuaSantos

2) Pelli's - Am I the only one that thinks this one looks like a huge misshapen penis? Or a marijuana blunt? Not a big fan.

what about the timeline??!
it's going to be build within...

.... how many years?!

samsonyuen · August 26th, 2007, 04:19 AM

SOM's is the best, Pelli's is also nice, and don't like the other.

Brendan · September 8th, 2007, 10:53 AM

They are all fantastic designs and San Francisco would be lucky to get either one.

However I must say I prefer the SOM proposal. I am from Sydney and the two landmarks from San Francisco that I knew well from a reasonably young age were the Golden Gate Bridge and Transamerica Pyramid. I believe the SOM proposal has a certain landmark quality about it as well as pays homage toward the Transamerica Pyramid. The design is unique, un-paralelled and would serve as the "lighthouse of San Francisco".

It is 2007 and it's time for San Francisco to show the world what it has.

bagel · September 8th, 2007, 08:18 PM

The SOM proposal is by far the most awe-inspiring. The curves are so graceful and elegant and really meld with how SF feels-- more so than the Rogers design which is really masculine and industrial. Echoing others here, I'll agree that the Pelli project is formulaic Pelli.

I did read somewhere though that the SOM proposal was a little too ornamental and not pragmatic in the way the groundplan layout is. Like the bus terminal section is too far away from the train terminal section. And the tower is sitting on the wrong part of the block, according to project specifications drawn out in the request for proposals.

Badfish301 · September 9th, 2007, 07:47 AM

bay_area:

Regarding SOMs masterpiece: Im not too hot on the palm trees either.

I would think willow trees would more appropriately adorn SOMs design. The lush green color would add a coolness and their movement would be a lot more elegant and eternal, like the structure.

kangarooMN09 · September 9th, 2007, 07:49 AM

anything except design #1 is good for me

View Poll Results: Your Preference
Roger's	8	6.84%
Pelli's	15	12.82%
Som's	89	76.07%
None	5	4.27%
Voters: 117. You may not vote on this poll

August 22nd, 2007, 01:52 AM	#226
StevenW Born in Baltimore Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Newberry, SC Posts: 10,630 Likes (Received): 12	Awesome! Thanks! I love the SOM WITH the Pelli Garden. __________________ Baltimore, my hometown.

August 23rd, 2007, 01:00 AM	#231
derek5 San Diegan for life Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 353 Likes (Received): 0	I'm going to disagree with most of you. I like Roger's tower the best. __________________ rawr!

August 23rd, 2007, 04:48 AM	#234
icracked Kulia I Ka Nu'u Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Beijing (for school) Posts: 952 Likes (Received): 3	The first one is not attractive in anyway in my opinion, the 2nd and 3rd on the other hand are both great looking concepts! __________________ H o n o l u l u* Hawaii

September 8th, 2007, 08:18 PM	#238
bagel Member, Winifred Fan Club Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 2,381 Likes (Received): 3	The SOM proposal is by far the most awe-inspiring. The curves are so graceful and elegant and really meld with how SF feels-- more so than the Rogers design which is really masculine and industrial. Echoing others here, I'll agree that the Pelli project is formulaic Pelli. I did read somewhere though that the SOM proposal was a little too ornamental and not pragmatic in the way the groundplan layout is. Like the bus terminal section is too far away from the train terminal section. And the tower is sitting on the wrong part of the block, according to project specifications drawn out in the request for proposals. __________________ bagels \| blog I am the original thread killer.

August 21st, 2007, 08:54 PM	#222
LionKing BANNED Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 218 Likes (Received): 0	1. Roger's building : Too macho, too industrial, too heavy-handed, convoluted and un-refined. Not deserving to be in an advanced civilization like SF/Bay Area. 2. Pelli's building : Been there, seen that. Too copy cat, too simple, not original enough for a one of a kind city that is SF. How can he even think of proposing something like this that has already been done in other cities? Does he not think SF deserves to have something totally unique? The only plus in this design is the roof top garden. 3. SOM building : Not too soft, not too hard, just right for SF. It's original, complex, cutting edge, dramatic, high taste. It displays the advanced technical know-hows of SF/Bay Area to conceive and then execute the un-conventionals. The spirit of free moving form, the boldness and creativeness that has made this area the high tech/biotech/IT mecca of the world are all in display here. It's a SF building - I LOVE IT.

August 21st, 2007, 11:40 PM	#224
NickABQ Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 449 Likes (Received): 4	I am torn between Pelli's and SOM...think I would go with the last one though.

August 22nd, 2007, 02:26 AM	#227
krudmonk sucks Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sannozay Posts: 1,646 Likes (Received): 4	Looking at it again, that archway at the base looks rather invasive.

August 22nd, 2007, 10:37 PM	#230
JoshuaSantos thesanjoseblog.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Jose Posts: 481 Likes (Received): 3	1) Roger's - I don't hate this one as much as everyone else. I think this is the most original design and the one that has the most character. It really plays homage to the most famous landmark in SF, the golden gate bridge. Is it ugly by today's standards? Yeah, it probably won't work... but it was built 40 or 50 years ago I think it would make sense in SF. 2) Pelli's - Am I the only one that thinks this one looks like a huge misshapen penis? Or a marijuana blunt? Not a big fan. 3) SOM - Gorgeous building. Looks a little bit like it was attacked by spider man, but it is far and away the best design out of the 3. Has the WOW factor for me.

August 23rd, 2007, 02:01 AM	#233
krudmonk sucks Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sannozay Posts: 1,646 Likes (Received): 4	SOM minus the archway

August 26th, 2007, 04:19 AM	#236
samsonyuen SSLL Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canary Wharf > CityPlace Posts: 8,534 Likes (Received): 0	SOM's is the best, Pelli's is also nice, and don't like the other.

September 8th, 2007, 10:53 AM	#237
Brendan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wollongong, NSW Posts: 2,245 Likes (Received): 0	They are all fantastic designs and San Francisco would be lucky to get either one. However I must say I prefer the SOM proposal. I am from Sydney and the two landmarks from San Francisco that I knew well from a reasonably young age were the Golden Gate Bridge and Transamerica Pyramid. I believe the SOM proposal has a certain landmark quality about it as well as pays homage toward the Transamerica Pyramid. The design is unique, un-paralelled and would serve as the "lighthouse of San Francisco". It is 2007 and it's time for San Francisco to show the world what it has.

September 9th, 2007, 07:47 AM	#239
Badfish301 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 43 Likes (Received): 0	bay_area: Regarding SOMs masterpiece: Im not too hot on the palm trees either. I would think willow trees would more appropriately adorn SOMs design. The lush green color would add a coolness and their movement would be a lot more elegant and eternal, like the structure.

September 9th, 2007, 07:49 AM	#240
kangarooMN09 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 74 Likes (Received): 0	anything except design #1 is good for me __________________ :)

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