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Old July 5th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #21
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The occupation and ethnic cleansing started in the end of 1947. Already in 1947 there were huge razzia's in Haifa2, killing a lot of Palestinians and forcing them to become refugees. While in 1948 whole villages where murdered and bombed, completing the ethnic cleansing.

rubbish

the Jews were the defensless by the Arab terror since the 1920's.
7 Arab armies + Palestinians gangs invaded Israel in 1948 to destroy it and to ethnic clean it from Jews.

and you lost so pay the price

how many Israelis died in the war of 48 ?
how many Israeli towns lost to Jordan and became refugess in 1948 ?
how many massacres of Jews by the Jordanians and Palestinian gangs commited?

no one talks about that
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Old July 5th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #22
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rubbish

the Jews were the defensless by the Arab terror since the 1920's.
7 Arab armies + Palestinians gangs invaded Israel in 1948 to destroy it and to ethnic clean it from Jews.

and you lost so pay the price

how many Israelis died in the war of 48 ?
how many Israeli towns lost to Jordan and became refugess in 1948 ?
how many massacres of Jews by the Jordanians and Palestinian gangs commited?

no one talks about that
Far less then the number of palestinian refugees and murdered palestinians. Btw, research says that the palestinians have more DNA of the ancient israelites that lived over there then the israeli's

when did they do that? yes, after the israeli's started plan Delta in 1947. And those armies were nothing, already in 1948 Ben Gurion (who should be prosecuted in The Hague for mass murder and ethnic cleansing (Ilan Pappe)) said to his officers that they would win easily, which was true, they were very well trained and had much more material and even airplanes. + they had a much bigger army than the armies all together that were send to defend the palestinians + those armies were nothing because Lebanon and Syria were only since a few years independent and hadn't build up a good army at all + Egypt was still under the British occupation so also they couldn't do a lot + the only powerfull army, that of jordan, had already made a treaty with israel because they wanted the west of Palestine.

You should read about the bloody founding and history of israel. Go and read Ilan Pappé and Shlomo Sand!
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Old July 5th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #23
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If in the USA suddenly some spanish people believe that the USA is their holy country and they start a war, and push all americans into canada, mexico, and they can only live in Arizona and Washington State than you would also start organise a defense!
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no one suddenly believe it is their holy land and invade a soverign "Palestinian" state.


the land is full of Hebrew civilization and Jewish archeaology sites , the source of the new Christian and the new Islam todays cultures.
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Far less then the number of palestinian refugees and murdered palestinians. Btw, research says that the palestinians have more DNA of the ancient israelites that lived over there then the israeli's .
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when did they do that? yes, after the israeli's started plan Delta in 1947. And those armies were nothing, already in 1948 Ben Gurion (who should be prosecuted in The Hague for mass murder and ethnic cleansing (Ilan Pappe)) said to his officers that they would win easily, which was true, they were very well trained and had much more material and even airplanes. + they had a much bigger army than the armies all together that were send to defend the palestinians + those armies were nothing because Lebanon and Syria were only since a few years independent and hadn't build up a good army at all + Egypt was still under the British occupation so also they couldn't do a lot + the only powerfull army, that of jordan, had already made a treaty with israel because they wanted the west of Palestine.
early 1948 there was no army, all the Jewish pop. counted 650,0000.
with no planes and no tanks.

remarkably the skilled Jews manage to build an army ,train people, to buy planes and tanks and to develope military industry . during the war of 1948 and to win.
so the mighty IDF continous to defend Israel till today from the fanatic Islamic lunatics around us.
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no one suddenly believe it is their holy land and invade a soverign "Palestinian" state.


the land is full of Hebrew civilization and Jewish archeaology sites , the source of the new Christian and Islam todays cultures.
read shlomo sand

you should also visit the "national parks", to find oud more about their history and find out what used to be in these parks and how it can be that there are olive trees in those forests

claiming israel is the same rubbish as that the Italians would claim all of the mediteranian area because all the archeological sites over there. Instead of living together and integrating israeli people mostly (with a few exceptions like Ilan Pappe en Shlomo Sand) prefer to murder other people and destroy this wunderfull region.
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early 1948 there was no army, all the Jewish pop. counted 650,0000.
with no planes and no tanks.

remarkably the skilled Jews manage to build an army train people, to buy planes and tanks to develope military industry .
they were already trained by the british occupation forces, and they used them to supress the Palestinian revolt against the british occupation. They had a much bigger army than all the other armies together. The story of the "little tiny Israel" is fantasy. In the beginning it was not more than logical than that they would win. You forget the terrorist armies of the Irgun and Hagana who murdered a lot of Palestinian villages in SS like style by executing a lot of people.
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at the very beginning there was a two state solution proclaimed by the UN, if palestinians wanted to make an ethnic clean and couldn't handle it at the end, sorry for them.., like hebrewtext wrote, there's a price for that.

and about the wall u know what i think, security only.
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they were already trained by the british occupation forces, and they used them to supress the Palestinian revolt against the british occupation. They had a much bigger army than all the other armies together. The story of the "little tiny Israel" is fantasy. In the beginning it was not more than logical than that they would win. You forget the terrorist armies of the Irgun and Hagana who murdered a lot of Palestinian villages in SS like style by executing a lot of people.
the British built the Jordanian army and trained it, the Jews fought the British for independece.

the first day of the war 1948 there was no Israeli army at all, Ben Gurion ordered the Jewish militias to join to one army, with no tanks nor planes,
compared to regular trained Arab well aquiped armies.

yes after few months of fighting and losses ,by buying weapons recruiting men &wemen ,the IDF turned larger and better aquiped force till today.
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from the fanatic Islamic lunatics around us.

you mean those nazi lunatics (NAZI = Nationalistic Zionists), those extremistic jews.

Btw, those are not just muslims, you are talking about people, whatever religion they have, it are just people, who are being murdered, like in Kosovo, and so we should help them!

And you totally forget that the region is a wonderful mosaic of different people, kurds, druz, 3alewi, sunni, shi3i, suryoyo, maronite, lebanese communistic, catholic and non-religious people! While Israel is triying to kill everything that is non-jewish! They could learn a lot from syrie, where a lot of groups are living together and where the jews have much more rights than the palestinians in their own occupied land!

you also for example forget that this singer is a christian: wonderfull rock music!



The Germans also considered the Netherlands as theirs, but also we had the right to fight them, and now we support the Palestinians to fight their occupators! In December and January the demonstrations against the violence of Israel were bigger than ever! A comparison: the hague: 1000 people, amsterdam: 10.000 people. While there were only 300 people on a pro-israel (let's go on with massmurdering) demonstration!
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Hebrewtext you should lestin to the guys here one day all the evil you stand for will bite you in the ass hard , very hard. All occupying forces face the same fate at the end , and both you and i know it never ends well so take the chance and make friends while you still can.
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Old July 5th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #31
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at the very beginning there was a two state solution proclaimed by the UN, if palestinians wanted to make an ethnic clean and couldn't handle it at the end, sorry for them.., like hebrewtext wrote, there's a price for that.

and about the wall u know what i think, security only.
mankind never learns how strange is it that first so many jews suffered in Europe and that instead of never such a thing again they are now doing the same things to others They always say that bullied people become the bulliers themselves

those israeli's and their supporters are the biggest anti-semitics themselves, while they are murdering other semitic people like the arabs.
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read shlomo sand

you should also visit the "national parks", to find oud more about their history and find out what used to be in these parks and how it can be that there are olive trees in those forests

claiming israel is the same rubbish as that the Italians would claim all of the mediteranian area because all the archeological sites over there. Instead of living together and integrating israeli people mostly (with a few exceptions like Ilan Pappe en Shlomo Sand) prefer to murder other people and destroy this wunderfull region.


the Palestinian abounded villages erected on Jewish ones, and even kept the Hebrew name.

sorry but the Roman towns in Israel were setteled by Jews/Hebrew ones at that time . Rome itself (BC era)was pagan city and not as it today except for the Jews living there.
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Hebrewtext you should lestin to the guys here one day all the evil you stand for will bite you in the ass hard , very hard. All occupying forces face the same fate at the end , and both you and i know it never ends well so take the chance and make friends while you still can.
بالروح بالدم نفديك يا فلسطين

Holland is with you.

Btw, you're from Dubai? How do you think about the corrupt dictators of Sa3oudia and Egypt, doing nothing and smiling while all those people are being murdered?
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people laughing and liking it to see people being murdered are sick, totally sick! Shame on you hebrewtext.
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Hebrewtext you should lestin to the guys here one day all the evil you stand for will bite you in the ass hard , very hard. All occupying forces face the same fate at the end , and both you and i know it never ends well so take the chance and make friends while you still can.

to listen to false Arab propaganda?

I responds to the false claims by jb_nl made here.

personaly i think Israel should withdraw and to build a Palestinian state.
but that wan't stop the fanatic lunatic muslims to continue fight.....
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Holland is with you.

Btw, you're from Dubai? How do you think about the corrupt dictators of Sa3oudia and Egypt, doing nothing and smiling while all those people are being murdered?
Not only Saudi arabia and Egypt , all of us , from rulers to commoners are responsible to help out not only palastenians , but people all around the world oppressed and occupied by forces such as the zionists.
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Islamic lunatics around us.
I've been multiple times in Arabic countries and those are fantastic countries with wunderfull friendly people! People with the same desires and needs as all other people in the world and with the same diversity.

Do you see these guys as a danger?
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Not only Saudi arabia and Egypt , all of us , from rulers to commoners are responsible to help out not only palastenians , but people all around the world oppressed and occupied by forces such as the zionists.
yes true, I'm happy that Obama dares to mention some things never mentioned before by a USA president and that Spain is now officially starting a case at the court against the murders of Israel. But much more should be done. Also the preacher Wright of Obama is totally right about the reason why 11th of september happened.

Yes, also see Birma or Zimbabwe, all we do is watch, and do nothing the only time we did something good was at Kosovo.
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mankind never learns how strange is it that first so many jews suffered in Europe and that instead of never such a thing again they are now doing the same things to others They always say that bullied people become the bulliers themselves

those israeli's and their supporters are the biggest anti-semitics themselves, while they are murdering other semitic people like the arabs.
do you know how many times i heard that before and mostly from europeans ? you didn't answer to my argument, just change the topic with the same cheap propaganda.

It's boring to discuss with people that love to hate Israel and only see one side of the conflict presenting the palestinians as victims of occupation, gimme a break, and this surrounding middle eastern countries want to focus only in Israel just to make people forget for a while their third world country problems. Suddenly Israel is the guilty of all of their miseries.
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i guess there are a bunch of other forums to debate this kind of political and hypocritical crap guys .

other than that; a preventative concrete wall for defensive purposes and "architecture" ... huh? very subtile
yeah i support ur comment,

moderators please close this thread, is one of this threads where Israel haters like to write politics and cheap propaganda.
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