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Old March 16th, 2012, 02:54 PM   #361
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Merci Karavia. En fait, la gestion des projets de Rakeen à Kin est des plus étranges. D’une part, elle signe des contrats de partenariat (avec la compagnie sud-africaine Broll) et d’achat (avec Chanic et Sany, la chinoise, entre autres), ce qui indiquerait un sérieux dans le travail et une détermination à mener les projets à bon port ; mais d’autre part, elle fait piétiner les travaux de construction en flouant partenaires et clients sur la date de livraison. Il va sans dire que cette méthode de travail a érodé la crédibilité de cette entreprise en RDC. Cette crédibilité est d’autant plus érodée qu’ailleurs (à Ras al Kaimah / EAU, à Isfaran / Iran et à Tbilisi / Géorgie) où elle exécute des projets plus grands que ceux de Kin, tout se passe très bien, les délais de livraison sont respectés et la qualité du travail est appréciée…Y-aurait-il une spécificité congolaise qui serait à la base de cet étrange comportement ? J’ai essayé de les joindre au téléphone aussi bien à Kin qu’à Ras al Kaimah / Emirats, mais en vain…
In other words, ils se foutent un peu de nous quoi. Comme c'est le Congo, let's take it slow. SMH
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Pius check it out, I have uploaded it and made it public.....


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Old March 16th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #363
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la video date d'octobre ou novembre 2011, jl'ai suivi sur tele 50
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Old March 16th, 2012, 11:04 PM   #364
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Old March 16th, 2012, 11:51 PM   #365
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la video date d'octobre ou novembre 2011, jl'ai suivi sur tele 50
Ce reportage n’est pas récent ; il doit avoir été fait au premier semestre 2011, si pas avant, car, au moment du tournage, le monument d’Albert I n’était pas encore recouvert de marbre.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #366
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Ce reportage n’est pas récent ; il doit avoir été fait au premier semestre 2011, si pas avant, car, au moment du tournage, le monument d’Albert I n’était pas encore recouvert de marbre.
oui, jme suis rendu compte hier, mais une emission du meme type est passé sur tele50 dans le site rakeen office de route, et c'etais vers la fin de l'année derniere que jle vu, je ne sais pas si c'etait une rediffusion.
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Merci Karavia. En fait, la gestion des projets de Rakeen à Kin est des plus étranges. D’une part, elle signe des contrats de partenariat (avec la compagnie sud-africaine Broll) et d’achat (avec Chanic et Sany, la chinoise, entre autres), ce qui indiquerait un sérieux dans le travail et une détermination à mener les projets à bon port ; mais d’autre part, elle fait piétiner les travaux de construction en flouant partenaires et clients sur la date de livraison. Il va sans dire que cette méthode de travail a érodé la crédibilité de cette entreprise en RDC. Cette crédibilité est d’autant plus érodée qu’ailleurs (à Ras al Kaimah / EAU, à Isfaran / Iran et à Tbilisi / Géorgie) où elle exécute des projets plus grands que ceux de Kin, tout se passe très bien, les délais de livraison sont respectés et la qualité du travail est appréciée…Y-aurait-il une spécificité congolaise qui serait à la base de cet étrange comportement ? J’ai essayé de les joindre au téléphone aussi bien à Kin qu’à Ras al Kaimah / Emirats, mais en vain…
"Y-aurait-il une spécificité congolaise qui serait à la base de cet étrange comportement ?"
Pius, je ne peux que vous remercier d'avoir souleve cette question que vous avez souvent esquivee intentionnellemt ou non. La specifite congolaise qui fait que le monde etranger nous tourne en derision, au ridicule...est bien simple et claire: il y a crise ou penurie aigue de leadership en RDC, qu'on semble l'ignorer sciemment ou non, c'est une realite incontournable. Un pays ou personne ne rend compte a personne pour les crimes commis ou inepties, incompetence de toute nature exhibees ne peut etre pris au serieux par les etrangers et en particulier par des voyous (permettez moi l'acidite du terme ) comme Rakeen! Ainsi que je l'ai indique dans une de mes livraisons passees, Rakeen ne fait que profiter du desordre, chaos et irresponsabilite sevissant a tous les niveaux de leadership du Congo. Rakeen ne peut jamais se comporter de la meme maniere dans des pays un peu serieux ou la voyoucratie n'est pas de regle. C'est donc dans la logique des choses que cette compagnie d'Arabes se fout eperdument de se qu'on peut l'accuser ou comment on peut la gueuler ou comment elle entend mener ses soi-disant business...sachant qu'elle n'a des comptes a rendre a personne en RDC!
Voila la triste realite que les tenants du regime s'emploient a noyer dans la mer de la propagande politique pour distraire les gens. Mais la verite est tetue et revient toujours au bond!

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Old March 17th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #368
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Old March 17th, 2012, 09:14 PM   #369
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"Y-aurait-il une spécificité congolaise qui serait à la base de cet étrange comportement ?"
Pius, je ne peux que vous remercier d'avoir souleve cette question que vous avez souvent esquivee intentionnellemt ou non. La specifite congolaise qui fait que le monde etranger nous tourne en derision, au ridicule...est bien simple et claire: il y a crise ou penurie aigue de leadership en RDC, qu'on semble l'ignorer sciemment ou non, c'est une realite incontournable. Un pays ou personne ne rend compte a personne pour les crimes commis ou inepties, incompetence de toute nature exhibees ne peut etre pris au serieux par les etrangers et en particulier par des voyous (permettez moi l'acidite du terme ) comme Rakeen! Ainsi que je l'ai indique dans une de mes livraisons passees, Rakeen ne fait que profiter du desordre, chaos et irresponsabilite sevissant a tous les niveaux de leadership du Congo. Rakeen ne peut jamais se comporter de la meme maniere dans des pays un peu serieux ou la voyoucratie n'est pas de regle. C'est donc dans la logique des choses que cette compagnie d'Arabes se fout eperdument de se qu'on peut l'accuser ou comment on peut la gueuler ou comment elle entend mener ses soi-disant business...sachant qu'elle n'a des comptes a rendre a personne en RDC!
Voila la triste realite que les tenants du regime s'emploient a noyer dans la mer de la propagande politique pour distraire les gens. Mais la verite est tetue et revient toujours au bond!
Que la RDC connaisse une crise de leadership est une évidence que je n’ai eu de cesse d’épingler sur ce forum ; il n’est pas dans mes habitudes d’esquiver des questions relevant de la vie publique en RDC.

Cependant, si je me borne à poser des questions plutôt qu’à faire des affirmations gratuites sur le dossier Rakeen, c’est justement parce que je ne possède que des informations partielles sur la réalité des faits. Dans ce cas, l’honnêteté intellectuelle commande à tout un chacun de la retenue, d’éviter des élucubrations hasardeuses.

Au mois d’octobre 2011, lors d’une visite du chantier « Gare centrale », JoKa avait exigé l’arrêt des travaux, le renvoi des responsables du chantier et leur remplacement par une nouvelle équipe. Avait-il le droit (et/ou raison) de le faire, étant donné que ce projet est réputé être privé ? Quelle est la teneur de l’accord signé entre le gouvernement congolais et l’entreprise Rakeen ? Qui de deux parties contractantes viole les termes de l’accord et est, par conséquent, responsable de la lenteur dans l'exécution du projet ? Si nous reconnaissons qu’il y a un problème de leadership en RDC, n’est-il pas possible que Rakeen soit une des victimes de cette carence plutôt que d’en être le profiteur ?

Si vous pouvez répondre de manière définitive à toutes ces questions, cela nous avancerait beaucoup dans la recherche de la vérité ; sinon, autant se calmer et éviter des diatribes à la limite de la xénophobie. Comme vous le dites, la vérité est têtue ; elle fini toujours par triompher.
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C'est vrai que l'action de Kabila etait vraiment etrange, mais comme tu le dis, avait-il le droit de le faire?
Si nous pouvons répondre à cette question, je pense que nous serons en mesure de parvenir à une conclusion concrète.
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le geste de Joka etait fonde sur quoi, il a fait ce geste en tant que president ou en tant que citoyen qui a des parts dans cette contruction?
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Has the project resumed or not? ....resumed but interrupted as usual?
Is the current team of engineers better?
Please let's not sleep. Open your eye and the good one on Rakeen because after all it's our land that is being downgraded, violated, ridiculed...
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WHILE ERECTING A 32-FLOOR TWIN TOWER IN DRC IS LIKE TRYING TO LAUNCH A SPACE ROCKET TO JUPITER, THE AMERICANS ARE ABOUT TO TOP OUT THEIR TALLEST WTC TOWER FROM THE GROUND OF THE "LATE" TWIN TOWERS BOMBED BY TERRORISTS ON SEPT 11 2001:

World Trade Center nears 'top out,' workers reflect on building nation's tallest tower


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The iron workers assembling the last few floors of One World Trade Center say that their work above New York City’s skyline is more than just a job.

“It’s a part of history. It’s a part of rebuilding you know, part of putting lives back together to show people that the spirit won’t be broken,” iron worker Marvin Davis told Harry Smith in an interview broadcast on NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams.

Davis is the general foreman at the World Trade Center site. He is part of the generations of Mohawk Indians who have built New York’s famous skyscrapers. Both Davis and his son are helping construct One World Trade Center, formerly called the Freedom Tower.

“It’s a fortress. It’s a better built building than I’ve been on ever,” Davis said. “With the concrete and the steel, you know, both of them together combined, you know, this thing is, I think is impenetrable.”

The original One World Trade Center was destroyed in the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001. In the 10 years since 2,753 people perished in attacks on the towers, a team of more than 200 iron workers clad in fluorescent vests and hard hats have nimbly built One World Trade Center. The building now soars more than 1,244 feet. The tower is a couple of weeks away from surpassing the height of the roof of the Empire State building.



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“We’re right there,” said iron worker Kevin Murphy. “In the next couple of weeks, we’re there. That’s going to be another big, you know, special day. Pretty much from here on up, everything’s special, you know?”


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Murphy is one of several iron workers who lost someone they knew on Sept. 11, 2001. The completion of the building will mark an emotional moment for Murphy, the lieutenant superintendent of steel erection at One World Trade Center.

“Just to be part of something that’s going to be the tallest building in the nation and a monument to all the people that lost their lives down here. As an iron worker, you couldn’t ask for a better place to work,” Murphy said.




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As the workers ascend farther into the heavens each day, placing and setting beam after beam, scrawled on some of the beams are the names of those who perished on 9/11. The building, made of steel and glass, is also full of emotion.

See more images from 1 World Trade Center

“Way more emotion than we’re used to. We’re iron workers. We don’t show our emotions well, but around here, you can’t help it, you know. You see families come. You’re looking down at the memorial. You see everybody looking at the memorial. This is definitely a very emotional place,” Murphy said.

In a matter of months, the tower is expected to “top out.” That’s what it means when the last steel beam gets put in place. After the spire is added, One World Trade Center will be the tallest building in the United States at a symbolic 1,776 feet.

For Murphy, the construction of the World Trade Center towers is in his blood. His father helped build the first World Trade Center towers.


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Murphy came to Ground Zero to clean up in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks.

“[I] didn’t really talk about it with anybody when it first happened, because it was so intense, just to be down there and then to come home and have to answer the questions about it, but it was definitely surreal and the things we saw, nobody should really have to see,” Murphy said.

Murphy’s wife, Heather Murphy, said her husband’s chance to build One World Trade Center is helping him heal.


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“Having been there right when it happened, I didn’t know if he would ever come out of that. He was so sad for so long, so the fact that now he’s in a place and bringing it back is so big, so huge. It’s kind of the best part about it. He gets to rebuild it. He doesn’t just have to have the memory of what it was,” said Heather Murphy through tears.

Murphy’s fellow iron worker, Eric Hunt, also helped sift through the smoldering debris 10 years ago.

“I was down here doing some burning one night and I was burning this big gusset plate open and I started on one end and worked my way to the other end and when the steel opened up, there was two ladies laying there holding hands,” said an emotional Hunt.

Hunt, a veteran iron worker who helped repair the World Trade Center after the 1993 bombing, said he’s thankful to be building One World Trade Center.


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“In the beginning, it was sad and every day, you had to overcome that, but as you get into it and you make it through your days and you spend a month, a year, whatever, it becomes a sense of necessity. You know, this had to be done,” Hunt said.

Hunt said that as they build higher and higher, the iron workers feel a “little bit of glory.”

“Every man here has put a sense of pride into this building and it’s just heavy duty, has armor. It’s modern day pyramids,” Hunt said.

Click here to view an interactive panoramic image of New York City as seen from the One World Trade Center



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This is even better than watching bin laden, getting assault rifles emptied in his face, then kicking the bucket, and that wonderful gory scene. To all the anti-American hate-mongers out there: EAT DIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Eat dirt? Hope that made you feel better because that was a really lame and resentful way to celebrate this.



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Some of the biggest hate-mongerers I know are American.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and hate. You, my friend, need to learn the difference.



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The new World Trade Center building is not built by red-necks in search of some kind of revenge.

The building is the product

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LATEST NEWS: After a long pause, construction work on the site has resumed, with a new team of engineers and superintendents.
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Was it a misinformation from radio trotoire?
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Was it a misinformation from radio trotoire?
Radio trottoir has never been my source of information; Rakeen did resume work in February 2012, only to take down the scaffolds and other construction equipment installed for the construction of the second floor of the northern tower. Since then, the work has been on hold again. Why? Your guess is as good as mine.

October 2011: the second floor of the northern tower under construction



February 2012: the installed scaffolds on the northern tower removed

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Radio trottoir has never been my source of information; Rakeen did resume work in February 2012, only to take down the scaffolds and other construction equipment installed for the construction of the second floor of the northern tower. Since then, the work has been on hold again. Why? Your guess is as good as mine.
lack of follow up
October 2011: the second floor of the northern tower under construction



February 2012: the installed scaffolds on the northern tower removed

My apology Sir Pius! It's not my intention to argue but common sense compelled me to wonder whether the lack of follow up on the construction project since your last flash of info on the subject is bcse the news wasn't true to begin with. Radio "trottoire" is very active in COngo since Zaire due to the absence of credible and reliable official source of infos.
It's amazing that JoKa would seem to spear up work on the project only to discontinue all activities some days later without explanations. This is an irrefutable proof of immaturity and infancy in the decision making process of the current regime. What a lousy and disgraceful leadership Congo has been given! Congo deserves better. This type of spasmic or "zigzagging" governing style where nothing is for certain is what is fueling the rwandan destructive war in the Kivu.

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It's amazing that JoKa would seem to spear up work on the project only to discontinue all activities some days later without explanations. This is an irrefutable proof of immaturity and infancy in the decision making process of the current regime. What a lousy and disgraceful leadership Congo has been given! Congo deserves better. This type of spasmic or "zigzagging" governing style where nothing is for certain is what is fueling the rwandan destructive war in the Kivu.
I could not agree more. We are govern by an irresponsible dictator...
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Old May 20th, 2012, 12:03 PM   #378
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A new generation has risen to protect its motherland and has stopped being submissive to the old norms.
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@ Pius. whats the Status on this project?
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@ Pius. whats the Status on this project?
It is still on hold. I recently talked to a senior manager involved in the project, who refused to tell me the reason behind the delay, saying that it is a very sensitive issue. However, he stressed that the work will resume soon. Now, how soon is “soon”? I cannot tell…
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