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Old May 25th, 2007, 06:31 PM   #1
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HONG KONG | Tsim Sha Tsui Star Ferry Redevelopment

尖沙咀巴士站 改建露天廣場
天星輪陰乾要救亡

25/05/2007
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【專案組報道】中環天星碼頭被政府清拆後,尖沙咀天星碼頭的發展備受關注。旅遊事務署下周三將邀請地區人士出席工作坊,討論將尖沙咀天星碼頭對開的巴士總站搬遷到尖東永安廣場,並將原有巴士總站改建成露天廣場的安排,地區人士擔心巴士站搬遷到尖東後,使用天星小輪過海的乘客量會大幅下跌,天星小輪或收入減少而被陰乾,為要保泎天星碼頭及巴士總站行動,地區人士不排除展開保泎行動。

旅遊事務署計劃斥資二億七千五百多萬元改建尖沙咀露天廣場,將天星碼頭對開的巴士總站遷往永安廣場,原有巴士總站空地改建成露天廣場,與香港文化中心及天星碼頭連成一線,打通區內多個購物商場及星光大道,旅遊事務署認為露天廣場可成為尖沙咀的新旅遊地標,達到刺激人流作用。

天星小輪早前委託顧問公司研究巴士總站搬遷對天星小輪經營的影響,報告指現時每日的乘客量達八萬人次,其中六成來自轉乘小輪的巴士乘客,巴士總站被搬遷後,最多有六成的巴士乘客會因交通擠塞延誤車程,而不再轉乘天星小輪過海,令天星小輪有經營壓力。

人流轉尖東 小輪客勢減
油尖旺區議員及前市政局議員擔心,改建計劃是政府陰乾尖沙咀天星碼頭的第一步,區議員許德亮強調巴士總站搬遷後,人流勢將轉移到尖東一帶,間接影響小輪乘客流量,他早前曾建議應保留巴士總站,露天廣場可在巴士總站上層興建,但被政府拒絕。他認為政府是想趕絕天星小輪,為日後兩鐵合併增加過海乘客而鋪路。

前市政局議員杜本文希望當局能在諮詢民意及提供完整規劃發展詳情後,才搬遷巴士總站,同時要政府確保不會清拆尖沙咀天星碼頭的任何設施。

旅遊事務署下周三(五月三十日)舉行「在尖沙咀發展露天廣場」工作坊,邀請地區人士、政府部門及旅遊業代表出席,就有關計劃的用途及發展表達意見。為免被指計劃影響尖沙咀天星碼頭未來發展,旅遊事務署已在邀請函表明,發展露天廣場將不會影響現有的天星碼頭、尖沙咀鐘樓及五支旗杆等設施。有份出席工作坊的地區人士已經表明,會在當日提出搬遷巴士總站的質詢,若然政府沒有合理的回覆,將會發動保護天星碼頭及巴士總站行動。
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Old May 26th, 2007, 09:07 PM   #2
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I dont know.... I would rather go to Harbour City if I really want to do some shopping. =/
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Old May 27th, 2007, 01:46 AM   #3
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Instead of complaining about progress and fighting to keep the old, why not spend the energy and focus on improving and renewing and re-inventing?

The cross-harbor ferry has been obsolete ever since "Fat Sister" Shum ride the bus thru the tunnel... get with the times.
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Old May 27th, 2007, 07:05 AM   #4
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Instead of complaining about progress and fighting to keep the old, why not spend the energy and focus on improving and renewing and re-inventing?

The cross-harbor ferry has been obsolete ever since "Fat Sister" Shum ride the bus thru the tunnel... get with the times.
It is true for other cross-harbour ferry routes, but NOT FOR THE STAR FERRY! As the Star Ferry is already surmounting crossing the harbour, it is also the icon for the tourist about HK.
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Old May 28th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #5
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exactly. so they should re-focus their strategy as a tourist service rather than an actual mass transportation entity that somehow deserves special protection from the forward momemtum of the city.

I would be really pissed if they don't get rid of that ugly/polluting bus terminal for an open plaza, just coz they wanna keep a couple of ferry riders.
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exactly. so they should re-focus their strategy as a tourist service rather than an actual mass transportation entity that somehow deserves special protection from the forward momemtum of the city.

I would be really pissed if they don't get rid of that ugly/polluting bus terminal for an open plaza, just coz they wanna keep a couple of ferry riders.
No, why does the Star Ferry have to serve mainly for tourist? I'm also a frequent Star Ferry rider and I'm really pissed if they DO get rid of that ugly/polluting bus terminal!

In HK, I'm really happy that I'm not limited to only one transportation!
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well i'm sure you're not the only one, since when I was back in Hong Kong I took it quite frequently to go home after enjoying the skyline. Taking the ferry to Wan Chai then hop on the 8 is the best way for me to get back to Tai Koo Shing...

but just because a small group of people wants to keep traveling the way they do doesn't mean they should get the preferential treatment by maintaining the status quo... Let's look at what's good for Hong Kong as a whole: a tourist destination and a world class city, not a bunch of ugly/polluting mass transit interchanges.
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The bus terminus is very convenient for tourists and locals who use the Star Ferry. The distance to the new terminus now UC in East TST is very large. As long as I can get to the buses quickly after I get off the ferry somehow, then I don't care whether that is the terminus or merely an enroute bus stop.
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Why can't they just renovate the current bus terminus?
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興建尖沙嘴露天廣場 倡公開招標
(明報) 05月 31日 星期四 05:05AM


【明報專訊】隨2009年尖東的新交通交匯處落成,以及完成搬遷巴士線,佔地約1公頃的尖沙嘴露天廣場發展計劃將會展開。為收集社會各界意見,旅遊事務署昨舉行「尖沙嘴露天廣場工作坊」,邀請商界、運輸業界、區議員等人士出席,會上大部分人士支持發展計劃應由私營出資及承辦,但必須設有機制,通過公開招標選擇市場伙伴,讓公眾有效參與及監察。

佔地1頃 倡供自由表演

旅遊事務專員區璟智表示,構思中的廣場佔地約1公頃,發展計劃將不會影響現有的尖沙嘴天星碼頭 、尖沙嘴鐘樓及5支旗杆。現時天星碼頭對出的交通交匯處,將遷往前永安廣場公園原址。沿廣場最接近尖沙嘴天星碼頭的地方,會新設多個巴士站及的士站,方便市民和旅客。

策略發展委員會委員羅建中在會上表示,尖沙嘴地理位置優越,如中國的大門口,又引用丹麥哥本哈根、威尼斯聖馬可廣場個著名商港及廣場,說明其吸引人流的優點,如容許獨立團體可自由表演吸引途人,尖沙嘴露天廣場可以效法。

由於露天廣場是休憩用地,有與會者提出商業用途不可超過城規會指定的10%,區璟智回應說,露天廣場旨在匯聚人群,故少許商業活動是需要的,亦可補貼經營者。工作坊所得意見稍後將上網讓公眾參考。
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well i'm sure you're not the only one, since when I was back in Hong Kong I took it quite frequently to go home after enjoying the skyline. Taking the ferry to Wan Chai then hop on the 8 is the best way for me to get back to Tai Koo Shing...

but just because a small group of people wants to keep traveling the way they do doesn't mean they should get the preferential treatment by maintaining the status quo... Let's look at what's good for Hong Kong as a whole: a tourist destination and a world class city, not a bunch of ugly/polluting mass transit interchanges.
Well, the HK government always doesn't listen to small group of people 弱勢社群~

And we have already tourist destination in the nearby Cultural Centre and Avenue of Stars! Build your new tourist destination somewhere else 唔該! And we are already a World Class City and I don't know how an open plaza would change us in the World Stage! Even Disneyland can't do that!
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弱勢社群 and "small group of people" are 2 very different things HKT.

弱勢社群 is groups whose lack of power prevent the voices from being heard. Minority viewpoint is only a viewpoint thaz held by a smaller number of people. Just because they're the minority doesn't mean they're being ignored coz they're "weak" or "弱勢". You have to distinguish how would people who take the bus from the terminal and connect to/from the ferry are 弱勢社群, simply coz there aren't enough of them.

Nothing personal but HK people are suckers for slogans like these nowadays... 弱勢社群 or collective memory or whatever... and it's just sad.


I agree an open plaza isn't gonna push us up the cool city meter, esp the kinda plaza WE build (i.e. no lawn, all concrete, no interative art pieces), but an open space is always preferrable to a bus terminal in terms of pollution, city beautification, civic enjoyment etc.
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Nothing personal but HK people are suckers for slogans like these nowadays... 弱勢社群 or collective memory or whatever... and it's just sad.
Couldn't agree more!
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TST piazza to include 5-storey shopping mall
18 June 2008
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A tenth of the multi-purpose piazza proposed for the site of the bus terminus in Tsim Sha Tsui will be turned into a shopping mall, with buildings up to five storeys high occupying 1,000 square metres.

A Commerce and Economic Development Bureau spokesman said the site could be used for commercial purposes, depending on public opinion. But the government said the proposal would not be finalised until early next year.

According to a bureau paper submitted to the Legislative Council, buildings up to 15 metres high will occupy not more than 10 per cent of the proposed piazza. It had been touted as an open, "multi-purpose" space.

Greg Wong Chak-yan, a member of the government's Harbourfront Enhancement Committee, said the site could generate up to HK$1 million a month in revenue for the government. But he was concerned the government might bear risks if management of the piazza was contracted out to the private sector.

Paul Zimmerman, a founding member of Designing Hong Kong, said it would be a good idea to provide refreshment services for tourists, but the site did not need shops.

After a round of consultation launched in October it was generally agreed the proposed Tsim Sha Tsui piazza, near the Avenue of Stars, Cultural Centre and major shopping malls, should have seating, a green environment with shade, a cafe and a fountain.

Under the government's latest proposal, the existing Star Ferry Pier, the clock tower and the five flag poles will not be affected and there will be landscaping with trees, greenery, lawn areas and seating. It will also provide open space for public activities like concerts, art exhibitions or outdoor carnivals such as the New Year countdown.

The design of the piazza will be decided by an open design competition that will start early next year, at the earliest.

The government will also ask for suitable arrangements to be made for locals and visitors to take buses or taxis to and from the ferry pier to the future public transport interchange.

The Transport Department plans to build a new turnaround at Salisbury Road outside the Cultural Centre, with eight bus stops and a taxi stand, to maintain smooth traffic flow in the area. The construction of the new turnaround will start next year and end in 2010.

The Legislative Council's economic development panel will discuss the piazza plans on Monday.
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Where's the new depot at TST East supposed to be? I hope all the buses will still stop at Star Ferry...
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Finally we figure out why this renovation is really taking place. I hope it doesn't block the view of HKI that you see now as you walk up to the pier from Salisbury Road.

Also, I don't understand why they can't build a plaza on top of a bus terminus. They're doing a lot of those sort of things in Berkeley, albeit with a car park on the bottom instead.
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Finally we figure out why this renovation is really taking place. I hope it doesn't block the view of HKI that you see now as you walk up to the pier from Salisbury Road.

Also, I don't understand why they can't build a plaza on top of a bus terminus. They're doing a lot of those sort of things in Berkeley, albeit with a car park on the bottom instead.
There are plenty of bus terminus under shopping malls in HK. Plenty of them.

Moving the bus terminus away from Star Ferry is just nonsense from the beginning of the project, IMO. Star Ferry will be the biggest loser on top what has happened in Central side moving the pier away from the CBD.

The existing bus route at Star Ferry will move to the new terminus in TSTE, it will have an extra stop at Salisbury and Canton Road intersection, then turn around towards TSTE. A new roundabout will be built at Salisbury and Canton Road intersection to serve to turn around purpose. The outcome is it will put a lot more empty buses on Salisbury Road. Sigh...
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Old June 19th, 2008, 09:15 PM   #20
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Plus, where the heck does the 1,000 sq meter new shopping mall come from? It has never been heard. Isn't Ocean Terminal / Harbour City big enough to shop?

You still have Star House there barely have any shoppers inside, and the new development under construction at the Former Marine HQ.

Plus 1,000 sq meter is tiny for a "mall" that will be FIVE stories high.
It's roughly 11k sq ft, average that out, it's 2.2k sq ft per floor.
You can put like 2 shops per floor after putting the hallway, stairs, elevator etc etc.
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