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Old June 21st, 2008, 12:05 PM   #21
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Well they could mean that the 1000 sq m is retail space, in which case, 2200 sq ft is still not big enough for a very big mall, but at least realistic.

IMO Star House is a hole. The building is ugly, and inside is dark and gloomy. They should've torn down that thing instead of condemning Star Ferry to the pages of history. (ok, maybe that's a little overboard)

Bonus - here's the view I'm talking about. I love this.

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Old June 23rd, 2008, 12:51 PM   #22
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Restrictions sought on piazza
21 June 2008
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Buildings at a proposed piazza at the transport interchange outside the Kowloon Star Ferry pier should be just one-storey high - about 5 metres - critics of the proposal say.

They also want a piazza management model that maximises people's right to use the public space involved.

The calls came two days after the government announced a proposal to allow a shopping mall with buildings up to 15 metres high to occupy up to 10 per cent of the area earmarked for a piazza at the harbourfront site.

The piazza is to be an open, multipurpose space for such activities as concerts, art exhibitions and outdoor carnivals. The government wants its design to be decided by an open competition to start early next year.

In a submission to lawmakers, Designing Hong Kong founding member Paul Zimmerman said the height of piazza kiosks should conform to heights of structures in Hong Kong Park - single-storey and no higher than 5 metres.

While the piazza's design should also be in harmony with the adjacent Cultural Centre, Mr Zimmerman called for a management model in which private involvement was limited to operation of kiosks and outside seating.

"Recent debate has proved that public rights are unduly restricted in space or passage over private land or when large public facilities are managed by the private sector," he said.

Mr Zimmerman said the Highways Department should manage the piazza as a pedestrian precinct. The role of the Leisure and Cultural Services Department could be limited to managing aspects such as cleaning and safety.

While the design competition and funding arrangements for the piazza might take some time to organise, the group said the site could be immediately converted into a simple pedestrian precinct where temporary bazaars or other activities could be permitted by the District Council.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:10 AM   #23
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TST piazza to include 5-storey shopping mall
18 June 2008
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A tenth of the multi-purpose piazza proposed for the site of the bus terminus in Tsim Sha Tsui will be turned into a shopping mall, with buildings up to five storeys high occupying 1,000 square metres.

A Commerce and Economic Development Bureau spokesman said the site could be used for commercial purposes, depending on public opinion. But the government said the proposal would not be finalised until early next year.

According to a bureau paper submitted to the Legislative Council, buildings up to 15 metres high will occupy not more than 10 per cent of the proposed piazza. It had been touted as an open, "multi-purpose" space.

Greg Wong Chak-yan, a member of the government's Harbourfront Enhancement Committee, said the site could generate up to HK$1 million a month in revenue for the government. But he was concerned the government might bear risks if management of the piazza was contracted out to the private sector.

Paul Zimmerman, a founding member of Designing Hong Kong, said it would be a good idea to provide refreshment services for tourists, but the site did not need shops.

After a round of consultation launched in October it was generally agreed the proposed Tsim Sha Tsui piazza, near the Avenue of Stars, Cultural Centre and major shopping malls, should have seating, a green environment with shade, a cafe and a fountain.

Under the government's latest proposal, the existing Star Ferry Pier, the clock tower and the five flag poles will not be affected and there will be landscaping with trees, greenery, lawn areas and seating. It will also provide open space for public activities like concerts, art exhibitions or outdoor carnivals such as the New Year countdown.

The design of the piazza will be decided by an open design competition that will start early next year, at the earliest.

The government will also ask for suitable arrangements to be made for locals and visitors to take buses or taxis to and from the ferry pier to the future public transport interchange.

The Transport Department plans to build a new turnaround at Salisbury Road outside the Cultural Centre, with eight bus stops and a taxi stand, to maintain smooth traffic flow in the area. The construction of the new turnaround will start next year and end in 2010.

The Legislative Council's economic development panel will discuss the piazza plans on Monday.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 06:55 AM   #24
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Heritage plea for TST bus terminal
22 March 2009
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Activists have taken their campaign to save the Tsim Sha Tsui bus terminal to new heights - asking Unesco and international scholars to consider its historic value. Until now, the campaign has focused on the terminal's convenient access to the Star Ferry pier.

Our Bus Terminal, a four-member group, will fly to Hanoi next month to present a research paper at an annual Unesco seminar on heritage issues. Their paper will argue that the government is destroying the city's historic urban landscape by removing its first public transport interchange.

Meanwhile, the Central and Western Concern Group and an architecture professor from Hong Kong University will speak at the Unesco seminar about the Urban Renewal Authority's redevelopment of Central's historic Graham Street market.

The terminal activists formed a network on the social networking site Facebook to promote their cause last year, after the government announced a plan to turn the terminal into a piazza with a five-storey shopping mall. It has gathered support from over 3,000 netizens.

Its chairman, Leslie Chan Ka-long, said the bus terminal, which has been in operation since 1921, was the first of its kind in the city - a connection between a ferry pier, a railway station (since torn down), taxis and minibuses - which contributed to Tsim Sha Tsui's development.

He is glad the forum will draw international attention to their cause.

"I hope this will exert some pressure on our government to think twice before destroying the terminal and turning it into a soulless, open space."

The terminal is used by as many as 3,000 bus passengers per hour on weekdays, according to a count made by his group last month.

The transport flow comprised an impressive part of the urban landscape, he argued in the paper, and the government's piazza plan would "delink the historic fabric".

Mr Chan's paper has won three As, one B and one C from an evaluation committee of scholars on heritage preservation organised by Unesco.

"An interesting paper, especially in the choice of transport infrastructure as the unit of analysis," said a committee member who gave it an A grade.

A spokeswoman for the Tourism Commission said the piazza plan was supported by the Yau Tsim Mong District Council and the tourism industry, and that a new transport interchange would be created near the adjacent Hong Kong Cultural Centre.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 05:25 PM   #25
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Old March 24th, 2009, 09:52 AM   #26
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I dont agree on keeping the transportation hub for the sake of keeping it. There's a lot of land there to be used. But from a efficiency and convenience standpoint, moving the terminus is a totally ridiculous idea. The bus terminal there is perfectly good.

I echo my words from a year ago that it is much better to redevelop the area but not to move the buses. While I understand the government might want to do that to increase the people flow and business to TST east, they would be wiser to build a secondary hub and redevelop that area as well, rather than removing a vital link in the peninsula.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 07:28 AM   #27
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Really sorry for being off topic here but what's that building going up in the middle of that pic?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 04:36 PM   #28
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Really sorry for being off topic here but what's that building going up in the middle of that pic?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #29
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Great, thanks alot. Was in HK and TST in particular in early October and don't remember seeing it, it's really shot up!
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Old April 29th, 2009, 04:31 AM   #30
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well the government owns the mtr and of course they will find different ways to move us gradually to the subway. Sad
how many of them use the public transport anyway? before destroying the bus terminus they should ask what the public thinks.. how could such a meaningless and non-functional piazza benefits our people? i can hardly imagine how tourist would enjoy the piazza under the hk heat.
our tst interchange is where tourist see the rhythm of hk!
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Old June 12th, 2009, 07:11 PM   #31
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well the government owns the mtr and of course they will find different ways to move us gradually to the subway. Sad
how many of them use the public transport anyway? before destroying the bus terminus they should ask what the public thinks.. how could such a meaningless and non-functional piazza benefits our people? i can hardly imagine how tourist would enjoy the piazza under the hk heat.
our tst interchange is where tourist see the rhythm of hk!
I second that. The transport interchange works perfectly as a showcase of modes of public transportation. With continuous influx/outflux of commuters, a huge variety of double deckers, taxis, ferries, ocean liners all get together in front of the backdrop of the magnificant skyline of Hong Kong, it's nothing short of spectacular to tourists. Maybe something too common sight too get used to the locals.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 04:54 AM   #32
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My main concern on this issue is whether the Star Ferry Pier terminus will eventually become another Times Square in CWB which has a series of ridiculous rules to restrict social activities.
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My main concern on this issue is whether the Star Ferry Pier terminus will eventually become another Times Square in CWB which has a series of ridiculous rules to restrict social activities.
well... times sqaure is public space on a "private" property, but the star ferry isn't. i guess it will be managed by LSD just like a park once the piazza is opened. meaning you can't do anything you would want to in a park.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 06:54 AM   #34
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I don't quite understand. Is is a piazza or a 15m building?
I remember once I went to watch 10.1 fireworks. I was late so I cannot get into the open area outside cultural centre. I had to stand at the bus terminal.
If a 15m building is placed there, does it mean that there will be less spaces for people to watch the fireworks?
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Remain as it is now and protect the history is what the HK gov should do now.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:12 AM   #36
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There's a lot of land there to be used.
Normally, I'd agree with you. But this is Hong Kong - we'll get another shopping mall.
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Opinion : Piazza will not help Star Ferry
7 July 2009
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We refer to the letter from Winifred Chung, for the commissioner for tourism, ("Piazza will be public space for all to enjoy", June 27), replying to the letter by Charlie Chan Wing-tai ("Iconic Star Ferry will suffer if bus terminal is relocated", June 20).

I would like to comment on the possible impact on the Star Ferry of the planned piazza.

Ms Chung said: "The Transport Department will construct a new turnaround at Salisbury Road outside the Cultural Centre, with bus stops and taxi stands.

"The piazza will therefore enhance pedestrian flow, improve the connectivity between the pier and other areas in Tsim Sha Tsui, which will boost the patronage of the Star Ferry."

The Star Ferry's traffic consultant's findings in 2005 concluded that the proposed turnaround would neither enhance passenger flows nor improve the connectivity between the Tsim Sha Tsui Star Ferry Pier and other forms of public transports, nor would it boost our patronage.

Worst of all, due to the anticipated traffic congestion in the area under the proposed traffic scheme and a longer walking distance to the pier from the turnaround, we shall suffer from a patronage drop of 8 per cent to 11 per cent.

We therefore have reservations about Ms Chung's claim that the piazza will boost the Star Ferry's patronage.

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Opinion : Star Ferry is more than a tourist attraction to Hong Kong people
6 July 2009
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I refer to the letter by Winifred Chung, for the Commissioner for Tourism ("Piazza will be public space for all to enjoy", June 27) replying to the letter by Charlie Chan Wing-tai ("Iconic Star Ferry will suffer if bus terminal is relocated", June 20).

Charlie Chan must accept that what matters these days is not what ordinary Hong Kong people want or like. The Star Ferry has a special place in our hearts but the government is hell-bent on eliminating its role as a public transport system and converting it into a mere tourist attraction.

This is demonstrated by a number of measures. The original Central Star Ferry pier, so convenient to reach, was eliminated and the ferry service moved to its current out-of-the-way location. Plans are afoot to extend the elephantine Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre onto the Wan Chai pier bus station. This will certainly affect passenger flow on that route. Further erosion of passenger numbers will be inevitable if proposals to place a commercial helipad on Golden Bauhinia Square go through.

In Tsim Sha Tsui, the bus terminal that since 1921 has allowed convenient interchange between bus and ferry services for thousands of daily commuters is to be moved to Tsim Sha Tsui East, miles away. Why? To make a piazza for tourists. Never mind that a long expanse of the harbourfront is already dedicated to tourists via the Avenue of the Stars.

Objections on the part of Hong Kong people to restrictions on access to Star Ferry services are met with the "It's the economy, stupid" argument. Whatever the Tourism Commission rightly or wrongly feels will appeal to tourists takes precedence over the interests of Hong Kong citizens. Ms Chung puts it that because the bus terminus has been extensively altered it has no heritage value. This completely ignores the convenience and sentiments of local people. Why has the commission taken over town planning to override our interests and pander to tourists?

Perhaps the government's majority shareholding in the MTR, a much more expensive and stressful form of transport, is behind the push to marginalise the ferry service? Whatever, local people are once again the losers.

Candy Tam, Wan Chai
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Opinion : Star Ferry is more than a tourist attraction to Hong Kong people
6 July 2009
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I refer to the letter by Winifred Chung, for the Commissioner for Tourism ("Piazza will be public space for all to enjoy", June 27) replying to the letter by Charlie Chan Wing-tai ("Iconic Star Ferry will suffer if bus terminal is relocated", June 20).

Charlie Chan must accept that what matters these days is not what ordinary Hong Kong people want or like. The Star Ferry has a special place in our hearts but the government is hell-bent on eliminating its role as a public transport system and converting it into a mere tourist attraction.

This is demonstrated by a number of measures. The original Central Star Ferry pier, so convenient to reach, was eliminated and the ferry service moved to its current out-of-the-way location. Plans are afoot to extend the elephantine Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre onto the Wan Chai pier bus station. This will certainly affect passenger flow on that route. Further erosion of passenger numbers will be inevitable if proposals to place a commercial helipad on Golden Bauhinia Square go through.

In Tsim Sha Tsui, the bus terminal that since 1921 has allowed convenient interchange between bus and ferry services for thousands of daily commuters is to be moved to Tsim Sha Tsui East, miles away. Why? To make a piazza for tourists. Never mind that a long expanse of the harbourfront is already dedicated to tourists via the Avenue of the Stars.

Objections on the part of Hong Kong people to restrictions on access to Star Ferry services are met with the "It's the economy, stupid" argument. Whatever the Tourism Commission rightly or wrongly feels will appeal to tourists takes precedence over the interests of Hong Kong citizens. Ms Chung puts it that because the bus terminus has been extensively altered it has no heritage value. This completely ignores the convenience and sentiments of local people. Why has the commission taken over town planning to override our interests and pander to tourists?

Perhaps the government's majority shareholding in the MTR, a much more expensive and stressful form of transport, is behind the push to marginalise the ferry service? Whatever, local people are once again the losers.

Candy Tam, Wan Chai
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