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Old December 23rd, 2014, 12:22 PM   #861
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Well he is right, if the only N700 train he rode was a: Tsubame, Sakura or Mizuho.

Since the 8 car versions of both the 700 and the N700 have 2+2 seating on the reserved seating area, so does the 800 series.

The short sets that have been used for Kodama runs on the Sanyo Shinkansen line, both the defunct 0 and 100 series got 2+2 seating throughout, where as the current Kodama train the 500 series have it in 3 cars since the end of last year.



All 16 cars ones though run the normal 2+3 seating layout for standard class seats.

Yep. It was the Sakura series. I was surprised to see the difference personally and I assumed it would be the same on the longer sets as well. Gotta love JR West. Previous times on the N700 on JR east I never paid much attention.

It's interesting but I guess it makes sense if eventually you will move the Sakura 8-car sets to Kodama. Also, I think the Mizuho and Sakura service use the same trainsets. It's perhaps somewhat of a concession to those taking the train from an intermediate station that doesn't get Nozomi to know that they can get a bit more comfort on a Kodama or Sakura. The Mizuho on the other hand is the fastest service and long distance.

Side note: JR West and Kyushu also lets you travel on Mizuho and Nozomi with a Sanyo + Kyushu Rail pass. Strictly for foreign passports though. Unlike the japan rail pass which allows Japanese foreign residents to purchase a pass.

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Old December 29th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #862
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The altitude difference between Kofu (end of the test track) and the Japanese Alps' highest point is almost 1000 meters!!

https://www.yamanashi-kankou.jp/special/linear.html
http://www.landec.co.jp/linear/car.html
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:18 AM   #863
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The altitude difference between Kofu (end of the test track) and the Japanese Alps' highest point is almost 1000 meters!!
Ha! That picture makes it look like a roller coaster.

Just for fun, I made an approximate scale representation of parts of the line by stretching it in photoshop (the length:height was about 50:1 )

The 1000m climb to the Alps from the west end of the test track (click image for larger)


The test track itself (click image for larger)
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:39 AM   #864
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While Japan is making Maglev,USA working on vacuum tubes with a speed of over 1300 km / h



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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:45 AM   #865
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They can't even do 300 km/h, so I wish them nothing but the best.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:45 AM   #866
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Ha! That picture makes it look like a roller coaster.

Just for fun, I made an approximate scale representation of parts of the line by stretching it in photoshop (the length:height was about 50:1 )

The 1000m climb to the Alps from the west end of the test track (click image for larger)


The test track itself (click image for larger)
Yeah but still the climb between the Nagano Station and the highest point has a 2.6% climb(approx. 800 meters within a 30 Kilometer distance) is nothing to sneeze at for a HSR line.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #867
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The Vaccum Concept of tiny tubes is much more faster and costs less than Highspeed Railway or Maglev.

Maybe the future ( beyond Maglev ) is Hyperloop.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:49 AM   #868
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While Japan is making Maglev,USA working on vacuum tubes with a speed of over 1300 km / h



Aughh, nobody is working on Hyperloop beside on paper while Japan has already picked up pickaxes and shovels for actual construction.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:50 AM   #869
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The Vaccum Concept of tiny tubes is much more faster and costs less than Highspeed Railway or Maglev.

Maybe the future ( beyond Maglev ) is Hyperloop.
maybe, but right now it's just an eccentric billionaire thinking aloud
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:50 AM   #870
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Aughh, nobody is working on Hyperloop beside on paper while Japan has already picked up pickaxes and shovels for actual construction.
Elon Musk wants to show prototypes till 2018. He also created Tesla and SpaceX.
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Elon Musk wants to show prototypes till 2018. He also created Tesla and SpaceX.
Yeah, wake me up when he actually has a working model.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:53 AM   #872
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Yeah, wake me up when he actually has a working model.
But from the idea and concept i think Vacuum Tubes could be the future ( beyond Maglev) in the 21th century. Engineers should just work
and develop this concept till reality will happen.
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But from the idea and concept i think Vaccum Tubes could be the future ( beyond Maglev) in the 21th century.
Sorry but it had been debated to death on a maglev forum concluding it is not practical in an actual mode of travel in which there are no bathroom stops no contingency in case of a emergency stop in traffic like fire within the cabin, etc. etc.

It just an armchair theory without any practical thinking placed into it.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 03:36 AM   #874
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Keep in mind that a 2.6% incline for standard high-speed rail may seem like a lot but any train powered by linear induction doesn't have a problem with that kind of grade. The skytrain in Vancouver, for example, can handle a much steeper grade than conventional rail. It also uses a linear induction motor for propulsion.
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Keep in mind that a 2.6% incline for standard high-speed rail may seem like a lot but any train powered by linear induction doesn't have a problem with that kind of grade. The skytrain in Vancouver, for example, can handle a much steeper grade than conventional rail. It also uses a linear induction motor for propulsion.
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you're not getting it.
2.6% incline can be done with conventional trains geared towards high torque, HSR is geared towards high speed sacrificing high torque. JR Maglev system obtains both these characteristics through it's super conductive magnet technology.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 12:16 PM   #876
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Elon Musk wants to show prototypes till 2018. He also created Tesla and SpaceX.
Doesn't mean that everything he says is true.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 08:48 PM   #877
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you're not getting it.
2.6% incline can be done with conventional trains geared towards high torque, HSR is geared towards high speed sacrificing high torque. JR Maglev system obtains both these characteristics through it's super conductive magnet technology.
Yep. I think we're talking about the same thing. Linear induction motors give the benefit of low maintenance and the ability to not need gearboxes.

Lines like the Tokyo Oedo Line, Vancouver SkyTrain, JFK AirTrain, and Osaka Nagahori Tsurumi-ryokuchi Line should have the ability to climb steeper grades than standard rotary electric engines (which drive propulsion to wheels). Propulsion and torque and acceleration isn't really dependent on wheel friction or gearing. I know high speed is different, somewhat, but I believe it is based on the same principles of standard Linear Induction Motors, is it not?
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Old December 31st, 2014, 04:38 AM   #879
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While Japan is making Maglev,USA working on vacuum tubes with a speed of over 1300 km / h
I think we will see sun explode before this will be build
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Technically, we watch the sun explode every day. But I agree that this idea is far off.
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