JAPAN | Maglev

[sotavento]

Originally Posted by JoKo65

There is no high speed line along the same path.

The Hanover-Berlin high-speed rail line is a 258 kilometre railway line linking the German cities of Hanover and Berlin

The Wolfsburg-Berlin section was built as a new line and runs largely parallel to the Lehrterbahn (the old Berlin-Hanover railway) opened in 1871. The whole line was opened officially on 15 September 1998 and has been in commercial service since 20 September 1998.

The overall Hanover-Berlin project (including the reorganization and upgrading of the Lehrterbahn) was carried out as German unity rail project no 4 of the federal transport plan.

The line consists of five sections: upgraded line between Hanover and Lehrte (for operations up to 160 km/h) and between Lehrte and Wolfsburg (200 km/h), the new and upgraded line between Wolfsburg and Oebisfelde (68 km altogether); the 148 km-long new line between Oebisfelde and Staaken (250 km/h) and the connection between Staaken and the Berlin Stadtbahn and Berlin station (60 to 160 km/h).

Actualy it's not 200km/h but 250km/h ...

[nouveau.ukiyo]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0081121a9.html

Friday, Nov. 21, 2008

Maglev slated for early 2010s start

NAGOYA (Kyodo) Central Japan Railway Co. (JR Tokai) hopes to start building a magnetic levitation train system linking Tokyo and Nagoya by the first half of the 2010s to meet its plan to launch the service in 2025, the carrier's president said.

"Given that it will take at least 10 years (for the train system) to be completed, we need to get started (on construction) as soon as possible," JR Tokai President Masayuki Matsumoto said Wednesday.

JR Tokai needs to choose a route before the start of construction. In October, the railway submitted a report to the transport ministry saying all three routes proposed for the construction of the maglev train system between Tokyo and Nagoya are feasible on the basis of terrain and geology.

JR Tokai is seeking a tunnel route running through the Southern Alps, connecting the Tokyo metropolitan area and the Chubu region in an almost straight line.

[MetroWest]

AMAZING! I didn't think they would do it.

[2co2co]

The original plan for Shinkansen was commercial operation at 200km/h, and now runs at 300km/h. So, maglev goes to....750km/h??? Probably takes an evacuated tube, which may not be entirely unrealistic as most of the track would be in tunnels anyway

[DJZG]

damn that seems surreal... 300km in half an hour... what a wonderful dream
i'll cheer for Japan to build that asap

[Svartmetall]

Good for Japan! I look forward to seeing it built!

[sotavento]

Originally Posted by weltmeister

I highly doubt this news. How can japan afford so much money when it's not growing at all and with no resources either? And what about news, are there any pics to support construction has begun?

1/4 of GDP is "investment" ... building autobahns , airports , railways and other massive public works ALWAYS help increase the total GDP of a country.

[D.D.]

are they actually building it?

[Knuddel Knutsch]

^

they want to start in the first half of the 2010´s.

But they are actually very very serious about it....right now there is almost no discussion about the if, just about the "when".

And btw.---45bln € is almost nothing compared to the money that is being burnt right now in some private banks....

[UD2]

I'll believe it when I see it. Everybody has been announcing plans to build maglev and none of the recent announcements are coming to life at the moment. Shanghai has announced its extension how many times now?

And with TRZ and his other "commercial maglev line”; The Maglev technology was initially created so that trains can travel at a much faster speed than conventional rail but at a higher cost, and guess what, that still is the case. And reason why somebody would want to build a low speed maglev besides for the purpose of academic study or attracting tourists is very confusing to me. So how about this...

Shanghai has the only relevant commercial maglev service currently operating in the world. But if the word relevant hurt some people's nationalistic ego, please feel free to substitute it with the words high speed.

Anyways on the maglev note, I think the most realistic expansion of the maglev technology in foreseeable recent terms is the Hongqiao Transit Hub extension of the current maglev service in Shanghai. The line hasn’t started but at least they’ve designed and are building the infrastructure to accommodate the maglev. But who knows, I only hope that social economics, politics or the matter on technology transfer doesn’t come interfering with real technological progression in maglev trains.

God bless everyone.

Thanks

[UD2]

Originally Posted by shadyunltd

Just a question. The second video talks about "rotated magnets on the side of the train". What does he mean by that?

It’s how maglev trains are propelled.


oops.. i didn't realize that the question was already anwsered.

meh...

[FML]

Originally Posted by UD2

I'll believe it when I see it. Everybody has been announcing plans to build maglev and none of the recent announcements are coming to life at the moment. Shanghai has announced its extension how many times now?

But you see, Japan is not China. Economic growth in China is extremely high, so you can often claim outrageous plans, and many of them do come true, such as Shanghai Maglev. In Japan, however, you can't expect such high growth in near future, so you can't claim a plan unless you are absolutely certain about it. And in this time, they didn't say they want to build it. They said they will build it.

JR Central have already operated the high-speed line, albeit conventional, for decades, carrying 398,000 users per day. (For a comparison, the entire TGV network in Europe carries 227,000 users per day.) So they know the line will be profitable.

Originally Posted by UD2

Shanghai has the only relevant commercial maglev service currently operating in the world. But if the word relevant hurt some people's nationalistic ego, please feel free to substitute it with the words high speed.

You seem to be aware that the word "relevant" is quite subjective and can be just used to satisfy others' nationalistic ego.

Linimo does have its merits (less noise and trembles, better climbing and acceleration), although not without shortcomings (expensive, not compatible with other conventional lines). Shanghai Maglev is undoubtedly a great achievement, but again, it does have its fair amount of problems, the biggest one being it's currently not the practical (or "relevant", shall we say) choice between the airport and the city central.

By the way, as far as I know, TRZ is not Japanese.

[sumisu]

The Linimo is great, like FML says, it has some merits, and it was a brave step to make in building it as a metro (and not an express like Shanhai).

[UD2]

FML... good post. thanks.

Anybody know how much the line cost and the revenue that it brings in? also the variance in operating cost vs conventional rail and how long you can use them for?

so the same questions again. how much value does it hold in terms of future returns besides the precieved cool factor.

[2co2co]

Well, if you compare an F1 car and racing kart, they are both "racing cars" by definition, but when we talking about "racing cars", it is F1. You could shout that racing karts are also "racing cars" and therefore must be discussed, but it's quite....... dumb. Transrapid/JRMaglev and Linimo is just like that...


By the way, has anyone got a picture of the construction of Maglev track (extension of current 18.2km track to 42km, which eventually becomes the actual Maglev service track) going on in Yamanashi? There are sceptics about this Maglev project, and show that picture of construction and all doubts are blown away.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

Well, if you compare an F1 car and racing kart, they are both "racing cars" by definition, but when we talking about "racing cars", it is F1. You could shout that racing karts are also "racing cars" and therefore must be discussed, but it's quite....... dumb. Transrapid/JRMaglev and Linimo is just like that...

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. Transrapid/JRMaglev and Linimo are not trying to compete with each other, they are looking at two different applications of maglev propulsion on trains; one high speed and one low speed. The low speed application is no less relevant because of that.

[Knuddel Knutsch]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

Well, if you compare an F1 car and racing kart, they are both "racing cars" by definition, but when we talking about "racing cars", it is F1. You could shout that racing karts are also "racing cars" and therefore must be discussed, but it's quite....... dumb. Transrapid/JRMaglev and Linimo is just like that...


By the way, has anyone got a picture of the construction of Maglev track (extension of current 18.2km track to 42km, which eventually becomes the actual Maglev service track) going on in Yamanashi? There are sceptics about this Maglev project, and show that picture of construction and all doubts are blown away.

it will be quite difficult to get pix, as the whole extension will be underground as far as I know......

[UD2]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. Transrapid/JRMaglev and Linimo are not trying to compete with each other, they are looking at two different applications of maglev propulsion on trains; one high speed and one low speed. The low speed application is no less relevant because of that.

And why do you believe that? What do you think is the greatest advantage of low speed maglev’s that is relevant in today's world besides for academic study?

The hill climbing ability is great but who will actually build a metro system that involves rollercoaster style inclines?

and plus, the hill climbing ability can be much more cheaply constructed us Bombardier's linear-induction motor, which uses almost the same concept of maglev propulsion only with the use of conventional wheels instead of levitation. Those trains can reach speeds of up to 100km/h.

[Tri-ring]

Originally Posted by UD2

And why do you believe that? What do you think is the greatest advantage of low speed maglev’s that is relevant in today's world besides for academic study?

The hill climbing ability is great but who will actually build a metro system that involves rollercoaster style inclines?

and plus, the hill climbing ability can be much more cheaply constructed us Bombardier's linear-induction motor, which uses almost the same concept of maglev propulsion only with the use of conventional wheels instead of levitation. Those trains can reach speeds of up to 100km/h.

Reduction of noise pollution is one thing since they are intended for usage within heavily populated districts.
Another is faster/smoother acceleration and deceleration for benefit of the passangers which also speeds up the entire system enabling operators to squeeze more frequency within peak hours.

[benchjade]

Originally Posted by city_thing

I didn't realise the bullet train was that old. 1964, wow, must've been amazing when they were first rolled out.

they build shinkansen (bullet train) for the 1964 olympics