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Old October 17th, 2012, 06:38 AM   #641
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There is a gain of time but a loss o frequency, it's a shame, in some cases overall it's not an improvement.
The biggest loss is flexibility... Now that Antwerpen and Rotterdam ( not to mention Breda) are within commuter distance of each other commuting actually got harder.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 06:42 AM   #642
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60 min waiting at station + 60 min actual vehicle movement is better than 120 min on transit.
Every transportation specialist knows that this is the other way round.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 10:19 AM   #643
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60 min waiting at station + 60 min actual vehicle movement is better than 120 min on transit.
Not for me as in Milano Centrale there are few benches. I sit on the floor also here, beside that on the train.

I haven't heard positive comments from my relatives and friends using Cislapino trains (beside the delays, apparently they preferred 90' trains every hour than 60' trips every two hours).
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Old October 17th, 2012, 11:01 AM   #644
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I haven't heard positive comments from my relatives and friends using Cislapino trains (beside the delays, apparently they preferred 90' trains every hour than 60' trips every two hours).
In this example you used, the reduction on travel time was LESS than the increase on average interval between departures.

On Bruxelles-Amsterdam services, the (temporary) reduction on travel time is GREATER than the increase on interval between departures.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #645
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The biggest loss is flexibility... Now that Antwerpen and Rotterdam ( not to mention Breda) are within commuter distance of each other commuting actually got harder.
They will probably come up with some hybrid pass that you pay a fixed amount and can then quickly reserve a seat with your smartphone or on a ticket machine as close as possible to departure (so it creates a predictable financial cost without removing the ability of the railway to carry ONLY seated passengers).

Moreover, commuting passengers have predictable schedules and can just buy a lot of tickets with maximum anticipation and low fares anyway.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #646
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They will probably come up with some hybrid pass that you pay a fixed amount and can then quickly reserve a seat with your smartphone or on a ticket machine as close as possible to departure (so it creates a predictable financial cost without removing the ability of the railway to carry ONLY seated passengers).
Nope, there won't be any passes when Fyra starts to operate. Also, nothing is known about future plans for passes butI fear for the worst. Once again, travelers are being screwed over.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 02:02 PM   #647
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Nope, there won't be any passes when Fyra starts to operate. Also, nothing is known about future plans for passes butI fear for the worst. Once again, travelers are being screwed over.
They can always lower prices or sell more tickets with discounts if ridership is too low.

Morevoer, the new option of travelling with the regional train from Roosendaal will increase total travel time by 23 minutes compared to Benelux trains. So there will be an option (I think the 4/5 minute transfer time in Roosendaal might be problematic, though).
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 02:23 PM   #648
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SNCB and NS told that at least 20% of the seats on each Fyra train will be sold at the lowest Supersaver fare of € 25 (for Bruxelles Midi-Amsterdam Centraal and lower correspondent fares to other sectors).

That should placate some of the critics that were saying that "only a few" seats a day would be sold on the cheaper fares.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #649
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Seat plans for V250

These are the seat plan s for the V250



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Old December 3rd, 2012, 07:45 PM   #650
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The go-ahead signal has been given for Amsterdam - Brussels, tickets will be on sale from tomorrow. From april 2013 there will be a service Antwerp - Breda every two hours, at the current price, without reservation or any ticket price flexibility.

Woohoo, I guess?
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:14 PM   #651
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From april 2013 there will be a bi-hourly service Antwerp - Brussels, at the current price, without reservation or any ticket price flexibility.
I don't get that one. The bi-hourly service you are speaking about already
exists now, it was created decades ago.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:16 PM   #652
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That's because I was making a mistake because I had to hurry up.

I meant to say: Antwerp - Breda. Once every 2 hours.
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That's because I was making a mistake because I had to hurry up.

I meant to say: Antwerp - Breda. Once every 2 hours.
Aha ! OK... And with which rolling stock ? There is a free V250 for that ?
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The rolling stock will be V250 indeed. 1 V250 is needed for the service, and they have that available.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #655
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At what price will they sell those tickets? The Breda-Anterpen distance over HSL Zuid/4 is 11km shorter than via Roosendaal.

At the end of the day, I think Breda is the Dutch city that benefited the most from HSL. Travel times to Amsterdam were cut almost by half, putting the city within easy reach of Amsterdam. It will also be very close to Antwerpen with the new train.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 01:18 AM   #656
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The ticket price for Breda - Antwerpen will remain equal to what it is today, not taking into account the yearly fare increases.

And I think you're right, Breda is one of the cities that benefited the most from the HSL-Zuid. Especially Schiphol and Amsterdam Zuid are much eachier to reach than they were before.
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But will they keep those different prices? Will it accept normal NS and SNCB subscriptions?

For instance, today these are the prices Breda-Antwerpen

- normal one-way fare: € 12,60
- superdagretourkaart: € 8,60
- met NS korting: € 10,00
and there are other fares as well...

If so, depending on how they time Breda-Rotterdam services, you could start seeing people using Fyra from A'dam/R'dam to Breda + Fyra to Anvers and then trains from there to Bruxelles, Gent, Louvain etc. instead of using the Fyra all the way down. Which could be a better proposition than travelling from anywhere but Zeeland (and Bergen op Zoom) to Roosendaal and taking the regional train for those who feel aggravated by the need to buy tickets in advance.
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No information is known yet about tariffs and passes, but it's not unlikely that NS+SNCB subscriptions will be valid.

This will (temporarily) also be the case for Fyra to Brussels: if you have an NS subscription and an SNCB subscription, you can buy a reservation (costs € 4) to travel with Fyra. The reservation allows you to take the next train if you miss the one your reservation is valid for. Do note that this is temporary, until NS Hispeed and SNCB Europe have come up with a "Fyra Frequent Traveller" proposition.
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They could come up with some smartphone app that allows quick reservation of seats. That way, you end the "OMG I want to travel without a fixed time to return" whining.
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That already exists. I am not sure about how easy it is to change reservations with this app, but you can book tickets on the go with this app and though the mobile website:
http://www.nshispeed.nl/nl/waar-trei...n-mobiele-site
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