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Old April 22nd, 2013, 10:14 PM   #901
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Maybe this explain the different attitudes of both companies in regard of AnsaldoBreda. SNCB behaves like it would rather ditch the contract altogether and at most let NS run trains to Belgium on its own.
You're only partial right:
NMBS doesn't want to start services with the V250 as they weren't happy with the end result.
What they don't want is that a train is operated on Belgian terittory without the NMBS involved. They'd rather invent something else, as usual

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:24 AM   #902
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They (NMBS) don't have a choice. European regulations prohibit Belgium from not allowing NS to do so. If NS wants to do so is a second matter.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 09:34 AM   #903
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Legally SNCB is in no position to block any international trains, but they can always try, can't they? That's why they'd rather cooperate.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:01 AM   #904
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what are the chances that they build new Breda station alongside HSL?
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 01:10 PM   #905
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Zero, as it is pointless.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:20 PM   #906
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I'm cross posting: pics of V250 being finished at AB facility

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Detail of a case of electric trains V250 FYRA Dutch railways in working in the workshops Ansaldo Breda.

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Cockpit still incomplete electric trains High speed railway V250 FYRA Antilles. Pistoia 06/04/2013

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/marc-sc...th/3598669016/
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:59 PM   #907
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Legally SNCB is in no position to block any international trains, but they can always try, can't they? That's why they'd rather cooperate.
NMBS will not try to stop such trains. But the trade unions will.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:59 PM   #908
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I'm cross posting: pics of V250 being finished at AB facility
Were they still working on them?
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 04:04 PM   #909
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Were they still working on them?
These pics were taken by trainspotters earlier this month when the facility was opened to unveil the new ETR1000. They are working on trains, since all contracts and orders of manufacturing are valid as of April 16.

Same trainspotters got pics of IC4 under assembling there as well (of course not on this open-day).
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 09:26 PM   #910
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NMBS will not try to stop such trains. But the trade unions will.
As the unions have more power than the management itself, this effectively means the same
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Old May 1st, 2013, 02:17 PM   #911
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Hi, im new to this forum and i work at the Railways in the Netherlands and i have something to add to this topic.

Everybody is just talking about the "HSL Zuid" to be the only High Speed route in the Netherlands. I can tell you all that there are 2 more routes where trains can drive 200KM/h!
Those routes are the "Hanzenlijn" (Between Lelystad and Zwolle) and the route between Amsterdam Central (from Amsterdam Blijmer ARENA) to Utrecht Central.

On those routes can be driven 200km/h under ERTMS lvl 2. altough, no train (even not the ICE get's any speeds there near the 200 km/h) goes faster than 140 km/h and the ERTMS system isn't used at all due to the fact that ProRail charges extra for using it on those lines.

The Hanzelijn is recently opened and a ICE 3 trainset tested the tracks for 200 km/h speeds. The only weird thing is that when you drive over those 2 lines under ERTMS lvl2, the signals outside (even if they glow red) have no meaning anymore for you! since ERTMS lvl 2 is fully cab based.

Also, those 2 lines only have local Speed limits (due to ERTMS) instead of the old Speed limits for a whole line.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 04:46 PM   #912
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MrBob19, in case you can tell, who do you work for? NS, NedTrain or Pro-Rail?
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Old May 1st, 2013, 07:17 PM   #913
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Hi, im new to this forum and i work at the Railways in the Netherlands and i have something to add to this topic.

Everybody is just talking about the "HSL Zuid" to be the only High Speed route in the Netherlands. I can tell you all that there are 2 more routes where trains can drive 200KM/h!
Those routes are the "Hanzenlijn" (Between Lelystad and Zwolle) and the route between Amsterdam Central (from Amsterdam Blijmer ARENA) to Utrecht Central.

On those routes can be driven 200km/h under ERTMS lvl 2. altough, no train (even not the ICE get's any speeds there near the 200 km/h) goes faster than 140 km/h and the ERTMS system isn't used at all due to the fact that ProRail charges extra for using it on those lines.

The Hanzelijn is recently opened and a ICE 3 trainset tested the tracks for 200 km/h speeds. The only weird thing is that when you drive over those 2 lines under ERTMS lvl2, the signals outside (even if they glow red) have no meaning anymore for you! since ERTMS lvl 2 is fully cab based.

Also, those 2 lines only have local Speed limits (due to ERTMS) instead of the old Speed limits for a whole line.

As far as I know 200 km/h is not considered high speed in any parlance in The Netherlands.
It might be higher-than-current-speed, but not high speed.
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It shouldn't be that difficult to upgrade some lines to 250 km/h like Amsterdam-Eindhoven. They are straight, relatively. The challenge is how to close the line for a couple years for upgrading and how to reconstruct stations with through tracks. Also a tunnel under Utrecht would be needed.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 08:23 AM   #915
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Not only that, but how are you going to fit in 200+ km/h trains on lines which are already maxed to capacity with 140 km/h and slower trains, while retaining that capacity.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 09:49 AM   #916
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Not only that, but how are you going to fit in 200+ km/h trains on lines which are already maxed to capacity with 140 km/h and slower trains, while retaining that capacity.
Extending the 4-track segment from Houten to Boxtel, for instance.
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 08:43 AM   #917
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the ERTMS system isn't used at all due to the fact that ProRail charges extra for using it on those lines.
Why did they invest millions for equipping the track with ERTMS and then charge extra for it so there is no incentive for any user to actually use it? As long as most trains aren't even fitted, under these conditions they never will. If you ask me it should be the other way around: usage of the new system should be included in the usage fee, while usage of the legacy system is extra.

And just like in Switserland: electricity should be included in the track usage fees when a path is used that is 100% electrified, to discourage unnecesary use of diesel traction.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #918
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Extending the 4-track segment from Houten to Boxtel, for instance.
The NS have said, if we could, we would..

Only point is that there are 3 or 4 major bridges to cross... at big costs...
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Old May 7th, 2013, 08:04 PM   #919
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And at that point people start yelling that a tunnel would be better, driving up the price another 3 times and as a result the whole project is ditched...


Yeah, that's the Netherlands.
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And at that point people start yelling that a tunnel would be better, driving up the price another 3 times and as a result the whole project is ditched...
Since they can use traditional method of pilling up, enclosing and digging a tunnel on those rivers (for they are big ship lanes), building 3 tunnels would be reasonably expensive indeed. And cities like Culemborg or Geldermasen would want their own tunnels as well I think
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