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Old July 2nd, 2013, 12:29 PM   #1001
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Class 1700 locomotives entered service between 1991 and 1994, making them 20 years old on average. A locomotive is usually retired when it is between 30 and 40 years old.

Once ProRail finishes the roll-out of ERTMS I expect these locomotives to be retired, as retrofitting ERTMS will be too expensive by then.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 01:32 PM   #1002
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It is not uncommon for locomotives to have a major refit half way through their service life. They also did that with the 1100, 1200 and 1300.

In fact, also note that all of these series had ATB retrofitted, because ATB was still under development when they were build.

Consider this: Why retire a perfectly good locomotive when you only need to retrofit ETCS to give it another 20 years of service? It is capable of 160 km/h and even faster if needed and has proven to be one of the most reliable in the industry. By then all locomotive drawn trains will be superseded by EMUs.

Until that time you could for instance create consists of 8 to 12 carriages with 1700s on both ends in multiple or do the same as the DDAR: 6 or 7 carriages and a 1700 with automatic coupler on both ends to couple 2 sets if needed. You may need to retrofit EP-brakes though because slow brake response is usually the achilles heel of a locomotive drawn train.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #1003
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NS announced that it is going to ditch the tarnished "NS-Hispeed" division.

It didn't announce how will it sell and brand international rail services. Currently, NS website and ticket machines are very domestic-oriented (don't take international cards, convey only very limited information on international train schedules etc).
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Old July 12th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #1004
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I think it would be best if the journey planner would be extended to add all international trains, and the e-ticketing section would be updated to allow the sale of international train tickets as well. The NS Hispeed website could then be made into a redirect to ns.nl, from where all ticket sales are made.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #1005
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Increased Thalys frequency

Thalys has announced it will increase the frequency of its services to Beligum to 11/daily in October (instead of December as originally planned).
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Old July 18th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #1006
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Do all the Thalys services terminates or departs of Paris?
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Old July 18th, 2013, 02:34 AM   #1007
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Do all the Thalys services terminates or departs of Paris?
They have some (seasonal) trains to Aix-en-Provence, Marseille and Bourg St-Maurice
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:13 AM   #1008
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Thalys has announced it will increase the frequency of its services to Beligum to 11/daily in October (instead of December as originally planned).
Will these extra services do:

-Paris-Brussels-Amsterdam
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #1009
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I'm sure they will depart from Amsterdam, but not sure whether they will be going just to Belgium or all the way to Paris.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #1010
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I'm sure they will depart from Amsterdam, but not sure whether they will be going just to Belgium or all the way to Paris.
Or perhaps just to Lille?
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #1011
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The Thalys press release only mentions that the extra trains will be Amsterdam - Brussels.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 10:00 AM   #1012
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Thalys can do the 4 trips with 1 single train. For Lille or Paris, they would need extra rolling stock (which they don't have).
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #1013
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The Thalys press release only mentions that the extra trains will be Amsterdam - Brussels.
Currently on Friday an extra Thalys is already running, most probably this service will be extended to all workdays.
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How much more time is needed for a train to travel Mechelen-Aeroport Nationale-Bruxelles Midi instead of Mechelen-Bruxelles Midi?
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How much more time is needed for a train to travel Mechelen-Aeroport Nationale-Bruxelles Midi instead of Mechelen-Bruxelles Midi?
For regular intercity trains, I believe the difference is 2 or 3 minutes. Thalys can achieve higher speeds on the Diabolo tracks, however, so it can actually save a few minutes by going through the airport (in theory, it hasn't been implemented yet in the schedule as far as I know).
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The Thalys press release only mentions that the extra trains will be Amsterdam - Brussels.
They will probably be Paris - Brussel services extended to Amsterdam.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 01:56 PM   #1017
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For regular intercity trains, I believe the difference is 2 or 3 minutes. Thalys can achieve higher speeds on the Diabolo tracks, however, so it can actually save a few minutes by going through the airport (in theory, it hasn't been implemented yet in the schedule as far as I know).
Maybe they can route some Thalys there, then? Schiphol, for instance, greatly benefits from having easy access to Belgium, it can capture passengers from there. Actually there are only 3 daily AMS-BRU flights per direction, on small turboprop planes.

In fairness, the Aeroport Nationale in Zaventem is much smaller than Schiphol, but it could still be interesting to have an easy connection to Netherlands. It is already better with Intercity trains linking the airport with Antwerpen tahn before (with change in Bruxelles Centrale), but some Thalys calling there would help if they don't add extra travel time from Bruxelles.
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That's exactly why that new train service that The Hague city council is looking to start would stop at the airport. Getting Zaventem on board was seen as a big boost for the viability of the connection. The airport itself said it would like to attract more business travelers from the Rotterdam-The Hague area.
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Thalys from Amsterdam to Paris uses the new line (25N) from Mechelen towards the airport, but takes a branch line which doesn't serve the airport.
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Thalys from Amsterdam to Paris uses the new line (25N) from Mechelen towards the airport, but takes a branch line which doesn't serve the airport.
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