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Old July 20th, 2013, 12:37 AM   #1021
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 11:07 AM   #1022
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Exactly yes. And this traject indeed takes almost the same time as the
direct traject through line 25. When the "Mechelen Bypass" project will
be finished, most direct trains will use this route. On the other hand,
taking the detour via the airport costs at least 5 minutes, because
the curves linking the airport stations with the surrounding lines are
slow.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:39 PM   #1023
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Exactly yes. And this traject indeed takes almost the same time as the
direct traject through line 25. When the "Mechelen Bypass" project will
be finished, most direct trains will use this route. On the other hand,
taking the detour via the airport costs at least 5 minutes, because
the curves linking the airport stations with the surrounding lines are
slow.
The main advantage of 25N over 25 is that the former feeds trains in the the Western tracks of the North-South Junction, whereas the latter ends in the Eastern end.
Since NMBS wants high speed trains to stop at the lower numbered tracks in Brussel Zuid, line 25N (and 36N) thus give a path to the HST terminal in Zuid that conflicts less with other train movements.
You can see that here:
http://www.infrabel.be/sites/default...kaart_9700.pdf
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 03:34 PM   #1024
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The main advantage of 25N over 25 is that the former feeds trains in the the Western tracks of the North-South Junction, whereas the latter ends in the Eastern end.
Yes I know that perfectly well... But for the time being, only HSTs are
using it. Most other trains to Antwerp come from Charleroi, via line 124
which is also connected to the east of the station, and even the Benelux
trains never used it, because there are not enough free tracks on the west
side to stable the trains between runs. So it is not that much of an
advantage for the time being. Fyra trains also did not use it, I think,
I always saw them in the high-numbered tracks of south station too.
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Old August 5th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #1025
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ITALIAN rolling stock manufacturer AnsaldoBreda announced on August 1 that it has filed an appeal against the verdict of the Court of Justice in Utrecht, which ruled on July 3 that Netherlands Railways (NS) and Belgian National Railways (SNCB) will not be required to disclose three technical reports commissioned prior to the cancellation of their orders for V250 Fyra trains.

AnsaldoBreda has initiated an appeal based on an urgent procedure as it wants to establish which technical issues were cited in the reports and whether the findings led SNCB to cancel its order, lift the bank guarantees on the contract, and prepare compensation and indemnity claims. The appeal hearing is due to take place on September 19.

AnsaldoBreda wants a new, independent report to be commissioned on the V250, its technical problems and potential future use.

NS Financial Services, which placed the Dutch V250 order, has still not cancelled its contract and has even indicated that it may still accept the trains if the technical problems are resolved, although it is unlikely the emus will be used on the services for which they were ordered.

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Old August 5th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #1026
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As much as I don't like AnsaldoBreda and in the knowledge that they know very well all the things wrong with the V250 sets, I still find it weird that you can cancel your order on grounds of technical issues, without actually having to specify those issues.

I see only one way to salvage the V250: completely disassemble them and then, while solving the weak points already found, properly reassemble them, of course making all of the sets 100% identical (which they aren't now). That will at least solve the poor workmanship.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #1027
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"NS confirmed Fyra train purchases 'one week' before service halt"

Now things are getting more convoluted

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A week before halting the Fyra high speed train service to Belgium because of technical problems, Dutch rail company NS actually confirmed the purchase order, Nos television reports on Thursday.

The broadcaster has obtained a letter dated January 11 in which the NS tells Italian maker AnsaldoBreda it agrees to ‘proceed with PTO of units 9 and 16 and to the delivery of all remaining units’.

‘Remaining issues known to both parties’ will be solved in the normal course of the project, the letter states.

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The letter is a reaction to a letter from AnsaldoBreda in which it states nothing stands in the way of the orders going through and that ‘system faults’ can be discussed at a meeting later in the month, without any guarantees, Nos says.
- See more at: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive....TdeXoT0q.dpuf
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Old August 16th, 2013, 08:27 AM   #1028
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‘Remaining issues known to both parties’ is an interesting remark here. Given all the issues we all know of, which are probably just the tip of the iceberg, which nut case at NS gave the go ahead for delivery of the remaining units? Any sane person would have halted delivery until the issues on the delivered sets were solved. But no, commercial interest went before common sense again...

It's also probably the same nut case that allowed delivery of 9 train sets that look the same on the outside, but are all slightly different under the hood. Good luck with maintenance.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 08:27 AM   #1029
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According to several Dutch news sources NS has made a net loss of 76 million euros in the first half of 2013. Last year they still turned in a 147 million euro profit.
The loss was mainly caused by a 125 million euro reservation for the V250 project. The accountants specifically mention the risk that further write offs on this project may be necesary.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 04:08 PM   #1030
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The loss was mainly caused by a 125 million euro reservation for the V250 project. The accountants specifically mention the risk that further write offs on this project may be necesary.
Hopefully, with this episode, said accountants will finally understand that
there is some truth in the saying "I'm too poor to buy cheap".
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Old August 21st, 2013, 07:41 PM   #1031
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Hopefully, with this episode, said accountants will finally understand that
there is some truth in the saying "I'm too poor to buy cheap".
Or rather. I am too stupid to make losses when buying cheap. Buying cheap is not a problem, having no guarantees is a problem. Spending lots of money does not guarantee anything.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 11:54 PM   #1032
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as mentioned above:

Fyra fiasco and economic crisis push NS into the red

NETHERLANDS Railways (NS) recorded a net loss of €76m in the first half of this year compared with a profit of €147m in the first half of 2012.

NS says the deterioration in its financial performance is due to an allowance for losses on the aborted Fyra high-speed service between Amsterdam and Brussels following the failure of the V250 train fleet, a reduction in domestic passenger traffic due to the economic recession, and higher operating costs, coupled with what NS describes as the worst winter for 10 years.
NS estimates an overall loss for Fyra of €247m comprising €125m for depreciation and €122m for cancelling the train service.

Passenger-km fell from 8498 million in the first half of 2012 to 8406 million in the first half of this year, resulting in a drop in income from €1052m to €1045m. Operating costs rose from €2137m in the first half of 2012 to €2309m this first half partly due to an increase in staff numbers from 27,915 to 28,126. As a result, NS turned an operating profit of €204m in the first half of 2012 into an operating loss of €106m for same period this year.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=542

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BELGIAN National Railways (SNCB) has begun preparing a claim for damages against AnsaldoBreda following the cancellation of its order for three V250 high-speed trains.

SNCB is believed to be seeking up to €26m in compensation from the Italian company, although IRJ understands the case is still being developed and the final claim could be higher. It has been reported that the case will be heard at the Court of Justice at Utrecht in the Netherlands, where legal proceedings are due to start in September.

SNCB cancelled its order on May 31 citing what it described as "fundamental shortcomings with potentially serious effects with regards to both safety and reliability." Netherlands Railways (NS) announced in June that it would abandon its order for 16 trains, although NS Financial Services has not yet cancelled the contract.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=542
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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:21 AM   #1033
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Ansaldo Breda published an "open letter to all train travelers" on several Dutch newspapers today. A copy can be read here (Dutch, PDF).

Ansaldo Breda says that if NS collaborates, enough V-250 trainsets can be put into service for the planned service schedule within 6 months.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 03:34 PM   #1034
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Ansaldo Breda published an "open letter to all train travelers" on several Dutch newspapers today. A copy can be read here (Dutch, PDF).

Ansaldo Breda says that if NS collaborates, enough V-250 trainsets can be put into service for the planned service schedule within 6 months.
There is a problem with the link. This works:

http://download.omroep.nl/nos/docs/2...saldobreda.pdf
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Old September 26th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #1035
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In response to the letter, the NS points on the fact that the contract is not terminated with AnsaldoBreda for nothing. "Why should we trust a company that says they would fix something in 6 months whille the trains are still broken after 8 months. Also the NS is going to sue Finmeccanica for 200 milion euro's.
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Also the NMBS/SNCB is going to sue AB for 40 milion euro's due to the failing V250 and image damage. link (dutch)

In the new plan of the NS which they need to present to the government on 1 october. They decide to use something similar to the old intercity max plan form end 1999. Instead of buying new high speed trains with a max speed of 250 km/u the NS decides to buy new intercity trains capable of a max speed of 200 km/u which will be used for national and international service using the HSL zuid. Also the benelux service will be officially reinstated. (at the moment it stops at The Hague instead of Amsterdam).

In 1999 the intercity max plan of the Dutch Railways was rejected by the then Minister of infrastructure Tineke Netelenbos, it did not meet the requirements. She was advised by old TNT CEO Ad Scheepbouwer, that a committee had reviewed the NS bid.

After the rejected bid for the HSL-Zuid. Netelenbos decided to split the HSL zuid from the the national railway network and to do an open bidding on the HSL-Zuid. 13 parties finally made ​​an offer. The NS also did an bidding using NS (90%) and KLM (10%) to form the High Speed ​​Alliance (HSA). The HSA did an unprecedented bid which was to high for the competitors. The bidding for the HSL-Zuid would be 130 milion euros per year which according to employees of the NS would be a reasonal bid. Instead the CEO of NS at that time Hans Huisinga decided to bid 148 milion per year to prevent them from losing. The NS was afraid that if they would lose the tender of the HSL-Zuid they would also lose the national rail network. Of course the bidding was to high and due to the problems with the V250 and the financial problems the HSA went bankrupt. In 2011 the NS asked minister of infrastructure Schultz van Haegen to fuse the HSL-Zuid with the bidding for the national railway network 2015-2025 which she agreed with and therefor the NS can use the old intercity max plan.

Here is an image of the old plan.
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A few hours ago the NS released it's new plan for the HSL-Zuid.


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Outrageous plans about traffic to Belgium! They should cancel the NS concession and give it to another operator.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #1038
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Outrageous plans about traffic to Belgium! They should cancel the NS concession and give it to another operator.
It's rare, but this time I fully agree with you. The plans proposed by NS and the Secretary of State are insane and clearly demonstrate that the only interest of both parties is to keep NS on the HSL.
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Eurostar confirms the launch of the Amsterdam-London service.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #1040
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Outrageous plans about traffic to Belgium! They should cancel the NS concession and give it to another operator.
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It's rare, but this time I fully agree with you. The plans proposed by NS and the Secretary of State are insane and clearly demonstrate that the only interest of both parties is to keep NS on the HSL.
Eurostar and Thalys are both gonna be allowed to use the HSL, and NS is party in neither of those. So what the heck are you talking about?
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