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Old September 21st, 2014, 03:09 AM   #401
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Another great example from Romania on the previous page<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

National Bank of Moldova, Chisinau, Moldova (built in 1970-s)



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Old September 21st, 2014, 03:12 AM   #402
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Short distance Railway Station, Cluj-Napoca, Romania (built in 1970-s)



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Old September 23rd, 2014, 04:49 AM   #403
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Bacau Sports Hall, Bacau, Romania (built in 1972-75)



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Old September 23rd, 2014, 05:18 AM   #404
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The world is full of brainwashing headquarters. Churches, public schools, etc.
Just observe the architecture and move on.


That building should be restored, also. It's an important part of Bulgarian heritage.
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 03:01 PM   #406
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The world is full of brainwashing headquarters. Churches, public schools, etc.
Just observe the architecture and move on.
Sorry, I was born and raised in the west. We are allowed to observe and comment.
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 05:17 PM   #407
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Sorry, I was born and raised in the west. We are allowed to observe and comment.
Imho the word comment does not fit well the idea of labelling a monument commemorating a XIX century battle (btw placed on a peak which is 1441 metres high, not the best place for building a Miniluv) as "brainwashing headquarters"; I would replace it with something more appropriate, such as say whatever we want irrespective of facts.
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 05:32 PM   #408
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I am afraid the building was a symbol of communism, rather than the official line in its opening of commemorating a battle. Because of this, the Bulgarians have abandoned it and heavily vandalized it. They did that for a reason. The inside of the building and outside denotes the building's meaning and in the west we are allowed to comment on it, before 'moving on.'














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Old September 23rd, 2014, 06:32 PM   #409
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Sorry, I was born and raised in the west. We are allowed to observe and comment.
Why not comment on the horrible symbolism of the Pyramids or the gothic cathedrals that housed the Inquisition?
The gorgeous royal European palaces of decadent rulers that spat in the faces of the poor?
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In the west we are allowed to comment on that too if we want, however in the west we usually stick to the current subject. For example, we don't have to mention every single animal when describing a mouse just to cover ourselves. As a mostly capitalist group of states, we feel free to talk about the subject at hand. In this case, an abandoned and much vandalised Bulgarian communist monument, which was designed to condition Bulgarians.

But we can talk about the horrible symbolism? of the pyramid tombs also if you want? There are no restrictions in the west, even if a little unusual...
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Sure, you don't need to talk about everything.
But only ever spreading hate on one thing in particular, like communist monuments, when there are other equal monuments of brainwashing that nobody ever spreads hate on, is a bit hypocritical.
Then again that's another feature of the west, hypocrisy.

The pyramids have horrible symbolism. Giant useless monuments of massive stone boulders built by slaves who were killed if they didn't work, then worked to death, just as a massive place to store the corpse of their dictator to last for all eternity, tryanically looming over the city.
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 07:26 PM   #412
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Two examples from Belgrade, Serbia. I don't know what is the first building, but the second one is Palace Serbia.

[/url]SIV 3 by Tomislav Mavrovic, on Flickr

Palata Srbije by Tomislav Mavrovic, on Flickr
The first building is located in New Belgrade and it belongs to Ministry of interior. It is also known as SIV-3. State security and police have their offices inside the building.

The Palace of Serbia used to be SIV (Савезно извршно веће) or Federal executive council of Yugoslavia, formal name of our former government.
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Sure, you don't need to talk about everything.
But only ever spreading hate on one thing in particular, like communist monuments, when there are other equal monuments of brainwashing that nobody ever spreads hate on, is a bit hypocritical.
Then again that's another feature of the west, hypocrisy.

The pyramids have horrible symbolism. Giant useless monuments of massive stone boulders built by slaves who were killed if they didn't work, then worked to death, just as a massive place to store the corpse of their dictator to last for all eternity, tryanically looming over the city.
Firstly saying that the Bulgarian communist monument full of hammer and sickle imagery, was a mind conditioning monument, is not hate filled. It is reality.

Secondly, the pyramids were not build by slaves - so maybe you can learn to love them a bit more. They are very well engineered and were things of massive beauty. The originals were white with gold caps, most of which has fallen away through the millennia.

Many people from eastern Europe or ultra liberals here in the west usually try the comparison game because that was a socialist doctrine of argumentation. However, as you can see, comparing the Pyramids and the Buzludzha is not really adequate in accordance with reality.
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I am afraid the building was a symbol of communism, rather than the official line in its opening of commemorating a battle. Because of this, the Bulgarians have abandoned it and heavily vandalized it. They did that for a reason. The inside of the building and outside denotes the building's meaning and in the west we are allowed to comment on it, before 'moving on.'
How exactly does the sheer presence of a symbol (be it the hammer and sickle, the red star or a portrait of Marx) on a monument on the top of a >1km high mountain perform "brainwashing" on anybody?

By the way, the name of this thread is "Socialist Architecture"; I would say it's plainly obvious one'd stumble upon this kind of symbolism; but if one is so intolerant of its sight, then why come here at all?
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I know it's brainwashing imagery, but so is 90% of all symbolism. Crosses on buildings are brainwashing imagery that historically led to some of the greatest atrocities.
The pyramids are symbols of tyranny, and the fact they were built so well (by people who were badly overworked) shows the callousness and self-absorption of the pharaoh, the dictator. The White House was built by slaves, owned by a slave owner who wanted freedom from the British. Hypocrisy.
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How exactly does the sheer presence of a symbol (be it the hammer and sickle, the red star or a portrait of Marx) on a monument on the top of a >1km high mountain perform "brainwashing" on anybody?
Well firstly, all buildings affect people. From a crappy modernist block of flats to a stucco white villa with palms. People - humans, are affected by their environment.

When the state builds a monument, it doubles this affect. This is no longer the individual saying what he aspires to, but the state. This is the state showing its citizens what it aspires to and expects. The use of concrete, the marxist and communist party murals plastered all over the building, communist mosaics, symbols on the Buzludzha concrete of the monument are all designed to reinforce the culture and ideals of the communist party of Bulagia and also to commemorate the events in 1891 when the socialists led by Dimitar Blagoev assembled secretly in the area. This is a massive propaganda event.

Using an historical battle as reasoning, the height and commanding position add the the propaganda of the monument and its power. It is controlling nature in a way, dominating a peak. This monument was carefully premeditated for maximum affect and the locals who have vandalized mocking its communistic nuances are aware of it as am I.

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By the way, the name of this thread is "Socialist Architecture"; I would say it's plainly obvious one'd stumble upon this kind of symbolism; but if one is so intolerant of its sight, then why come here at all?
I don't think anyone here is as extreme as you, well maybe the previous poster who used the word 'hate.' That is also a very strong word. The monument is not hated, just mocked by the locals. It is seen as a warning of what can happen without democracy rather than a bit of genius architecture.

Personally I am not intolerant of it, neither do I hate it. I am impressed by its attempt to brainwash and admire how much thought the communist party of Bulgaria put into it. It is a great symbol and lesson at the same time.

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I know it's brainwashing imagery, but so is 90% of all symbolism. Crosses on buildings are brainwashing imagery that historically led to some of the greatest atrocities.
The pyramids are symbols of tyranny, and the fact they were built so well (by people who were badly overworked) shows the callousness and self-absorption of the pharaoh, the dictator. The White House was built by slaves, owned by a slave owner who wanted freedom from the British. Hypocrisy.
Ok, so are you admitting you were wrong to say the pyramids were built by slaves? In fact, the people who built the pyramids had their own houses built to live near by, had feeding stations, toilets and shower sections, etc etc For 2500BC, that is not too bad.

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I know it's brainwashing imagery, but so is 90% of all symbolism. Crosses on buildings are brainwashing imagery that historically led to some of the greatest atrocities.
No one is denying this, no matter how much you repeat it. You don't have to be defensive over communist monumental architecture. It is over now. We can sit back and admire the lengths they went too...

Crosses on buildings sometimes reflect the personal beliefs of those within. Although reinforcing religion, this again, is not really the same thing as the Church or communist party using public funds to brainwash.
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The church was the authority in a period called the dark ages, killing dissent using witch hunts and the inquisition. Today it is tax exempt, so its brainwashing is still pretty high up in power. The personal beliefs are spread by the preachers who dictate to them how to live their lives, and who to obey and when. Of course it leads to blind patriotism, which is dangerous.

And many people have no problems with this, they just observe it and move on.

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OK, I really don't understand what you are saying anymore, but since you quiet on the slaves pyramid thing, I think I will leave it there with you. Agree to disagree. Anyways, talking of Pyramids and corruption/nepotism, presenting Enver Hoxha's Pyramid, designed by the daughter and son-in-law of the late communist leader:







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It was only until recently that people apparently discovered they werent built by "slaves," yet they still admired them, despite what they thought it represented.
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