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Old September 24th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #141
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What the heck are you talking about? The commies started destroying most of the city's beauty prior to WW2.
they built new beauty in exchange. plans of Bolsheviks were is ready more beautifully and on a more substantial scale than that that they took down
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Old September 24th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #142
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Very subjective stuff. Fairly, I'd never dare to call it a beauty in the classical sense, no matter what may have happened.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #143
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they built new beauty in exchange. plans of Bolsheviks were is ready more beautifully and on a more substantial scale than that that they took down
I totally agree with you. In the interwar period, the population of Moscow has increased significantly - from 1.8 million people in 1915 to 4.1 million in 1940. Old narrow streets were no longer met the needs of the Soviet capital. In our days, when population reached 11.6 million, it's simply impossible to imagine life in the old centre.

Although, it was need to preserve some historical monuments.

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Very subjective stuff. Fairly, I'd never dare to call it a beauty in the classical sense, no matter what may have happened.
Apartments in Stalin's houses are still very expensive. At that times it was impossible to build badly. These buildings are still considered the benchmark of quality.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #144
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Old September 25th, 2012, 01:28 AM   #145
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What the heck are you talking about? The commies started destroying most of the city's beauty prior to WW2.
As you can easily understand, I love commie-blocks, it's written right under my nick
Also, not only commies where supposed to be build according to Stalin's plan. There were some really nice buildings.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 03:57 AM   #146
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Looks like Frank Loyd Wrights prairie style



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Old September 25th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #147
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After constructivism, postconstructivism and Stalinist classicism, СССР enter in phase of decandency in architecture but some buildings even in that period are interesting.

Monument to the Conquerors of Space and Memorial Museum of Astronautics-Moscow(1964)



http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4520/...1d_5a880164_XL

Enter in complex:



http://www.buran-energia.com/blog/wp...e/SNC16337.JPG



http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4406/...db_84db750e_XL

The monument is 110 m tall, has 77° incline, and is made of titanium.



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Old September 25th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #148
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Base of the monument:
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Both sides of the monument base, in their front parts, are decorated with haut- and bas-reliefs depicting men and women of the space program: scientists, engineers, workers, their occupations indicated by appropriate accoutrements of the professions. Notable figures include a computer programmer (or perhaps some other computing or telecommunications professional) holding a punched tape, a cosmonaut wearing a space suit, and Laika, the first space dog.


http://progulyaemsya.ru/f_big/188_1080.jpg



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http://prv2.lori-images.net/monument...74-preview.jpg

Yuri Gagarin going in the space, scientists, engineers and slavic goddess behind. Interesting isn't?



http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4110/...a1_cf25a02f_XL

In front of the monument-Konstantin Tsiolkovsky
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Was an Imperial Russian and Soviet rocket scientist and pioneer of the astronautic theory.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nx_sep2008.jpg

First peoples in space: Gagarin, Valentina Tereshkova(first woman in space), Titov, Alexey Leonov(became the first human to conduct an extra-vehicular activity (EVA), also known as a space walk) and Komarov:



http://www.buran-energia.com/blog/wp...ue/SNC16324.JP

Father of Soviet Astronautics-Sergei Korolev



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Behinde is Ostankino Tower(540m).
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Old September 25th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #149
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Under Monument to the Conquerors of Space is Memorial Museum of Astronautics.

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Opening ceremonies took place on April 10, 1981, to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the day Yuri Gagarin became the first human to orbit the Earth in space


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The museum contains a wide variety of space-related exhibits and models which explore the history of flight; astronomy; space exploration; space technology; and space in the arts. According to the Russian tourist board, the museum's collection holds approximately 85,000 different items, and receives approximately 300,000 visitors yearly.
Enter in Museum:



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...jpg?uselang=ru

Interior:



http://www.visit-petersburg.com/get....Ege6d3gOfS.jpg



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http://planetoddity.com/wp-content/u...-museum-15.jpg

Interior of Space station "MIR"



http://www.webpark.ru/uploads53/090610/Space_65.jpg

Many of this things can see in Museum:
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The Soviet space program pioneered many aspects of space exploration:

1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile, the R-7 Semyorka
1957: First satellite, Sputnik 1
1957: First animal in Earth orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
1959: First rocket ignition in Earth orbit, first man-made object to escape Earth's gravity, Luna 1
1959: First data communications, or telemetry, to and from outer space, Luna 1.
1959: First man-made object to pass near the Moon, first man-made object in Heliocentric orbit, Luna 1
1959: First probe to impact the Moon, Luna 2
1959: First images of the moon's far side, Luna 3
1960: First animals to safely return from Earth orbit, the dogs Belka and Strelka on Sputnik 5.
1961: First probe launched to Venus, Venera 1
1961: First person in space (International definition) and in Earth orbit, Yuri Gagarin on Vostok 1, Vostok programme
1961: First person to spend over 24 hours in space Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (also first person to sleep in space).
1962: First dual manned spaceflight, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
1962: First probe launched to Mars, Mars 1
1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
1964: First multi-person crew (3), Voskhod 1
1965: First extra-vehicular activity (EVA), by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
1965: First probe to hit another planet of the Solar system (Venus), Venera 3
1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the moon, Luna 9
1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
1967: First unmanned rendezvous and docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188.
1968: First living beings to reach the Moon (circumlunar flights) and return unharmed to Earth, Russian tortoises on Zond 5
1969: First docking between two manned craft in Earth orbit and exchange of crews, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5
1970: First soil samples automatically extracted and returned to Earth from another celestial body, Luna 16
1970: First robotic space rover, Lunokhod 1 on the Moon.
1970: First data received from the surface of another planet of the Solar system (Venus), Venera 7
1971: First space station, Salyut 1
1971: First probe to impact the surface of Mars, Mars 2
1975: First probe to orbit Venus, to make soft landing on Venus, first photos from surface of Venus, Venera 9
1980: First Hispanic and Black person in space, Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez on Soyuz 38
1984: First woman to walk in space, Svetlana Savitskaya (Salyut 7 space station)
1986: First crew to visit two separate space stations (Mir and Salyut 7)
1986: First probes to deploy robotic balloons into Venus atmosphere and to return pictures of a comet during close flyby Vega 1, Vega 2
1986: First permanently manned space station, Mir, 1986–2001, with permanent presence on board (1989–1999)
1987: First crew to spend over one year in space, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov on board of Soyuz TM-4 - Mir
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Old September 25th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #150
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I love that pointy monument, except for the rocket.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 05:35 AM   #151
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Old September 27th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #152
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Russian State Library(Lenin Library) Moscow, 1928-1941( Vladimir Shchuko and Vladimir Gelfreikh)
Very interesting building, despite the initial design being better. Has a very strong feel of fascist architecture (who also used a lot of neo-classical "language").
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Old September 27th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #153
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Very interesting building, despite the initial design being better. Has a very strong feel of fascist architecture (who also used a lot of neo-classical "language").
I was always confident that Library building is a best example of the Art Deco influence. I don't sure that Art Deco have a lot of common with Nazi architecture, this style had much greater influence in France and United States.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #154
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^ It's not Art Deco, IMO. Here is a comparison between the library and some fascist architecture:



and



(Bolzano)

or

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(Nuremberg)

or



(Madrid)

or even



from Bucharest, which is not fascist in the full sense of the word but it's close.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 01:48 AM   #155
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I don't agree. Your examples are illustrates buildings of neoclassicism: strict symmetrical facade and a row of columns or column-shape elements in the middle part near the entrance. Lenin Library is more complex and asymmetrical building.

How about it?

...Initial draft comprised a complex network of lowrise buildings facing Moss Street and a π-shaped highrise tower of the main depository in the back of block. Construction commenced in 1930 and was substantially complete in 1941; expansions continued into 1970s. As-built structure disposed with the complexity of the original proposal; the depository, completed in 1941, is a plain 19-floor elongated slab. Among many artists involved in decorating the Library, Vladimir Shchuko is personally credited for the design of the sculptural frieze facing Moss and Exhaltation Streets. Modern authors consider the Library, along with Mayakovskaya, to be Moscow's nearest approximations of Art Deco style and compare it to the 1937 Palais de Chaillot in Paris.

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Old September 28th, 2012, 02:17 AM   #156
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I don't agree. Your examples are illustrates buildings of neoclassicism: strict symmetrical facade and a row of columns or column-shape elements in the middle part near the entrance. Lenin Library is more complex and asymmetrical building.
I said in my first post already that fascist architecture is very neoclassical. And the three main examples I gave are essential fascist buildings.
There are art-deco elements to the library, I'll agree, but the pillars that are such an important part of the buiding's design remind me of those
fascist buildings and not of art-deco. Anyway, it's true that soviet, fascist and art-deco styles had plenty of common elements, as they were all contemporary and part of modernism.

Edit: Chaillot is not art-deco, but neoclassical. Apparently Hitler loved it.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 02:42 PM   #158
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thank you so much.
this is new to me.
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Very interesting building, despite the initial design being better. Has a very strong feel of fascist architecture (who also used a lot of neo-classical "language").

It's postconstructivism, combination of Constructivist avant-garde and Stalinist neoclassicsm. Fascist architecture is under big influence od modernism with neoclassicsm. And that is reason why similiar.
I mentioned german Bauhaus, avant-gard, with influence of russian Constructivism. Nazis accept that architecture. Yes they shut down all concept because too much leftist ideas and influence of USSR on all concept, one of the very important people in Bauhaus is Wassily Kandinsky(one of people who create Russian avant-garde, constructivism and one of the biggest painter of XX century, who come in Moscow in period 1914-1921, big influence on Revolutionary art and after on German avant-garde-Bauhaus 1922-1933), but they(nazis) accept architecture influence from Bauhaus.
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