If New Labour had been running the nunnery in The Sound of Music, would they have blown their whistles and handed the von Trapp family over to the Germans?

mexico86 · July 16th, 2009, 05:24 AM

If New Labour had been running the nunnery in The Sound of Music, would they have blown their whistles and handed the von Trapp family over to the Germans?

(Labour MPS have voted to send Gary McKinnon to the USA to face 60 years in prison for 'terrorism'; they apparently did not bother listening to the arguments but voted with the party line.)

***gothicform*** · July 16th, 2009, 06:45 AM

and crucially they'd have signed a one way extradition agreement.

VaastuShastra · July 16th, 2009, 10:01 AM

An inquiry would have been ordered afterward.

***gothicform*** · July 16th, 2009, 10:11 AM

whereby all the officials testifying are revealed to have lied, but nothing happens because its important to move forward from mistakes rather than bring them up again and persecute people.

Gherkin · July 16th, 2009, 12:27 PM

I've been wondering this for years.

I've heard Gary McKinnon on radio interviews and he seems like a nice bloke with a bit of a curiosity for NASA's UFO files. Give him community service.

Tony Sebo · July 16th, 2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gothicform

and crucially they'd have signed a one way extradition agreement.

This is the bizarre and lunatic problem. I don't understand why it was agreed to.

The American justice system is at least as fair as ours but this extradition treaty will lead to the lad being held in custody... and American jails can hardly be compared to their soft touch British counterparts.

Isaac Newell · July 16th, 2009, 03:46 PM

The Germans would have found out they were there by finding a lost CD with all their data on it.

JDRS · July 16th, 2009, 03:49 PM

In the USA they would have given Gary Mckinnon a job with the security services.

Over here, the government is more concerned with keeping things sweet with the Americans than its own citizens.

***gothicform*** · July 16th, 2009, 04:49 PM

what's worse is the treaty allows the extradition of people to the usa who are accused of committing crimes that are not crimes in this country and acts which occurred only in this country. an equivalent treaty with saudi arabia would lead to you or me being extradited for drinking. that's why countries NEVER extradite people for anything except if its illegal in both countries. this has however applied to over 60 people so far, not just mckinnon.

VaastuShastra · July 16th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Fucking disgusting.

mic of Orion · July 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JDRS

In the USA they would have given Gary Mckinnon a job with the security services.

Over here, the government is more concerned with keeping things sweet with the Americans than its own citizens.

Government of the people for the people, by the people, my hairy arse

Tony Blair = Pieter Willem Botha (both are pure evil, ignorant stupid despots)
New Labour = National Party of South Africa (old)

and now Tony fucking Blair wants to be a president of EU, my god, he'd turn EU in to a massive concetration camp, and everyone would be required to pray to all mighty Tony Blair, he'd enact Big Brother state with Zimbabwe as model for the ideal form of society. Everyone would have to carry an ID, and carry it at all times, Police would have right to stop everyone for no reason and imprison anyone who even thinks of questioning Police or Tony's rule, and everyone would need to rename their newborns to Anthony as a mark of respect for the great leader.

On top of this, if you don't believe in God, or you think there is no such think as God, you'd be sent to Antarctica where Tony would build massive concetration camp for non-believers, Military would become subservient to the Police and would be required to enforce draconian polices of the Great Leader.

V for Venedeta is not that far off when I come to think of it, Tony Blair was turning UK in to a police state, well he did turn UK in to a Police State.

I had this signature for the past 5 years, with a good reason...

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin

El_Greco · July 16th, 2009, 05:55 PM

Some of you guys really do believe that the Government is out to get you.Funny.

Jonny 5 · July 16th, 2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JDRS

In the USA they would have given Gary Mckinnon a job with the security services.

Yeah, well no.

Unless I missed something it's the USA that wants to keep him in jail for the next 60 years.

mexico86 · July 16th, 2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Greco

Some of you guys really do believe that the Government is out to get you.Funny.

Perhaps not out to get us, but totally indifferent to our wellbeing when survival of the party is at stake.

As shown by the Gary McKinnon vote, publicly a lot of Labour MPs support his case but when it comes down to it, for most of the labour goons the party comes first. Essentially they are 'just following orders', which is pretty much what the home secretary said during the debate. to paraphrase him: hey I'm not a lawyer so I don't know much about this and can't really comment.

***gothicform*** · July 16th, 2009, 06:20 PM

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Some of you guys really do believe that the Government is out to get you.Funny.

i think it's more like brazil personally. it's mostly incompetence, and then a total adherence to the rules which makes it impossible to fix the mistakes caused by the govt practises. they aren't this evil deliberately, they are too stupid.

hoody · July 16th, 2009, 06:49 PM

Labour have definately damaged the culture within the UK.

We are now just an offshoot of America.

Fat, Lazy, Paranoid and always seeking someone to blame.

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July 16th, 2009, 06:45 AM	#2
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,208 Likes (Received): 493	and crucially they'd have signed a one way extradition agreement.

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VaastuShastra Cats > Squirrels Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8,599	An inquiry would have been ordered afterward.

July 16th, 2009, 10:11 AM	#4
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,208 Likes (Received): 493	whereby all the officials testifying are revealed to have lied, but nothing happens because its important to move forward from mistakes rather than bring them up again and persecute people.

July 16th, 2009, 12:27 PM	#5
Gherkin actual gherkin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,737 Likes (Received): 160	I've been wondering this for years. I've heard Gary McKinnon on radio interviews and he seems like a nice bloke with a bit of a curiosity for NASA's UFO files. Give him community service.

July 16th, 2009, 03:46 PM	#7
Isaac Newell Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12,895 Likes (Received): 6	The Germans would have found out they were there by finding a lost CD with all their data on it.

July 16th, 2009, 03:49 PM	#8
JDRS Against ID Cards Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,823 Likes (Received): 0	In the USA they would have given Gary Mckinnon a job with the security services. Over here, the government is more concerned with keeping things sweet with the Americans than its own citizens.

July 16th, 2009, 04:49 PM	#9
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,208 Likes (Received): 493	what's worse is the treaty allows the extradition of people to the usa who are accused of committing crimes that are not crimes in this country and acts which occurred only in this country. an equivalent treaty with saudi arabia would lead to you or me being extradited for drinking. that's why countries NEVER extradite people for anything except if its illegal in both countries. this has however applied to over 60 people so far, not just mckinnon.

July 16th, 2009, 05:30 PM	#10
VaastuShastra Cats > Squirrels Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8,599	Fucking disgusting.