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Old August 2nd, 2010, 07:37 PM   #141
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I just have a quick question. Does anyone know what's gonna happen with the railway connecting Melanchtonweg to Hofplein? They're gonna be out of use, so they just gonna let them go rotten or there's another project?!
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 08:30 PM   #142
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The section near Hofplein station will be converted into boutiques, a club and galleries. On top will be a route for bicycles and pedestrians, eventually leading into an overlapping park bridging Hofplein with the areas on the other side of the railway section between Central Station and Blaak.

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Old August 3rd, 2010, 11:20 AM   #143
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Great news! This will definitely be an improvement for the Hofplein area. It's not really an attractive area at the moment.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 01:14 PM   #144
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It lokks really great! I'm looking forward to seeing how this project evolves! thanks for the info!
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Old August 7th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #145
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Just have a look how it was in the 30's , just brilliant. Look at the size of the station at that moment, nowadays it is a one track station, being demolished in a few months....
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Old August 8th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #146
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Just 1,5 weeks before the new Station Blijdorp opens. See the video on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/retmetronl#p/a/f/0/bOTD8o19DOs
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Old August 9th, 2010, 02:57 AM   #147
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waoo... used to be a big station! O_o' Time flies...
the new station Blijdorp is nice!
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Old August 13th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #148
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Whoa nice i wil use this new line for sure no traffic jams anymore for me
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Old December 11th, 2011, 01:01 PM   #149
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Transit budget cut

The Dutch central government reduced the allocation to finance transit operations (not construction) in the three major metropolitan areas of Den Haag, Rotterdam and Amsterdam.

Rotterdam has to save € 50 millions of that amount, and announced a lot of changes to their service.

The new network can be seen here (http://www.ret.nl/over-ret/nieuws-en...883AC54D0.ashx) (pdf from RET) and the list of cuts read here: http://www.ret.nl/over-ret/nieuws-en...0199E8C63.ashx (Dutch)

No tram section or subway line was scrapped. Majority of cuts affect buses, with many lines curtailed to the nearest subway or light rail station. Frequencies on some subways line was reduced as well on the evenings and sunday mornings.

I think the measures are sensible. It is pointless to have buses duplicating subway routes, and Rotterdam has an extensive subways system (for its population). As there is already an integrated fare system, in which it makes no difference which vehicle/line is used, it only makes sense to reduce duplicate bus routes.

The cuts affect Den Haag and Amstedam as well.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 02:09 AM   #150
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Except of course that, far from duplicating metro or tram lines, the vast majority of the cut services provided links which now don't exist.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 10:20 AM   #151
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Except of course that, far from duplicating metro or tram lines, the vast majority of the cut services provided links which now don't exist.
But there is this thing called transfers you know?
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Old December 12th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #152
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There is, but there's also this thing called 'looking at the cuts that have actually been made'. If you did so, you would realise that many of these cuts (in the Rotterdam region at least, which this thread concerns) either remove service entirely from certain areas and therefore the journeys which they enabled can no longer be made, or require transfers which scheduling does not permit (not in all cases but some), or remove the links so that the 'transfer' basically requires a huge detour and the whole thing starts to look more sensible by bike or car. So in this case also, the links have effectively been removed.

In almost all cases, there has been no removal of metro/tram duplication and transfers between them and buses created as you claim, merely the complete removal of many links (some of which were newly created within the last few years, others longer standing).
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 04:21 PM   #153
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Just have a look how it was in the 30's , just brilliant. Look at the size of the station at that moment, nowadays it is a one track station, being demolished in a few months....
It always was a terminal station for a single-track line, it only had multiple tracks and platforms because no other emplacement was nearby.

The crossing railway line that can be seen on the photograph was not in fact serviced by the station but by a competing railway company at another station. The Hofplein station was build right were the line could go no further because it was blocked by the competing line and the right of way could not be purchased. The actual entrance and ticket office was build accross the competitors line on the city centre side with a passenger tunnel connecting the main railway buildings to the platforms.

After the competing companies were merged into a single state-owned railway company, the Hofplein station lost it's prominence as it offered no transfers or connecting lines. After the bombing of Rotterdam in 1940 only the platforms remained and it was subsequently doomed to whither away when the new Rotterdam Central station was build in 1957, just as close to the city centre but servicing four lines instead of one. It's a small miracle infact that it has lasted as long as it did.
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 05:39 PM   #154
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Sorry to revive this old post (oct 2009):

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This new line will eventually be extended from Zuidplein to Schiedam Centrum. So, this is just the first part of the line. It will also serve as a katalysator for new development in the deprived neighbourhoods in Rotterdam-South.

Oh and before i'll forget: it will also serve the new Feijenoord Stadium (80.000+ seats), so people can take public transport to go to a match
As lack of funds (not to mention lack of succes for Feyenoord) seems to have stopped the new stadium from being built, or at least being postponed forever, nothing has been heard of this new metro line project either. It seems it was only proposed in conjunction with the stadium plans. However, it is still likely that the city planners have their minds set on another metro line in the south part of the city and the 'Kralingse zoom'-'Zuidplein' bit was just part of it.

Be that as it may it does not seem to be a sensible project: Apart from any demand created by a new stadium there just doesn't seem to be much need for it. I can't imagine many people wanting to travel either way, not even to catch connecting lines as the time gain compared to the existing route is so minimal it will be lost again because of transfer times.

Any new line running east out of 'Zuidplein' might rather be build along the 'dordsestraat' to 'Lombardijen railway station' and then on in an northeastern course to 'IJsselmonde' and on to 'Ridderkerk' and perhaps even 'Hendrik-Ido-Ambacht' or 'Zwijndrecht'. This would connect vast densily populated areas to the metro grid, while saving on the cost of a river crossing.

As for the proposed new section running west out Zuidplein: It seems the general idea is to promote 'Schiedam Centrum' to become the main gateway to Rotterdam for travelers coming from Amsterdam or the Hague. I don't think that's a very good idea as te national railway company is very unlikely to raise the status of Schiedam to an 'Intercity' station and most international travellers will still travel on to Rotterdam Central by virtue of it's name.

The idea of any new metro line running either north or northwest from the southern part of Rotterdam should be to relief te existing north-south connection. Especially the connecting station of 'Beurs' is now often overcrowded at rush-hours and the fire brigade has expressed serious concerns over public safety at that station. Yet another line terminating at Schiedam is not going to do much to relief that pressure. I think it would be more wise to build the line so that it would terminate or connect at, or near to, Rotterdam central.

Possible routes for the westbound line out of Zuidplein would be 'Doklaan', 'Wolphaertsbocht' and then either:

...crossing the river just west of the 'Maastunnel' emerging on the other side at the 'Lloydkade', yet again tunneling underneath the 'Schiehaven' and on through the vierhavenstraat to 'Marconiplein' where it could connect to the existing track and so on to 'Schiedam'.

or

...crossing the river east of the 'Maastunnel', perhaps even tunneling underneath the 'Rijnhaven' providing an entrance at the 'kop van katendrecht' near the MS Rotterdam, emerging at the 'Euromast park', continuing to cross and connect to the existing line at 'Dijkzicht' and then along de 's-Gravendijkwal' either bending of to the Weena and Central Station or across the railway providing an entrance at Rotterdam Zoo and then on to cross the existing line at 'Blijdorp'. Both these latter options can then provide the possibility of a further extension from respectively the 'Hofplein' or station 'Blijdorp' towards the 'bergweg' or 'bergselaan' and railway station 'Noord', eventually even to 'Hillegersberg'.

A third option would be to combine the first one with an extension towards Rotterdam central: Along the 'vierhavenstraat' route to 'Marconiplein' and then on along 'de spaanse bocht' over the discontinued port railway track to 'het Kasteel' (Sparta stadium), accross the 'schuttevaer canal' to the 'Beukelsdijk' and the on to the 'Weena' and 'Rotterdam central'. Once again off course providing the opportunity for a further extension into 'Noord'.
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Rotterdam public transport group RET retains franchise

Conexxion loses bid to run buses in Rotterdam 'till 2020..

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Rotterdam council bus company RET has won the concession to provide bus services in the city but has pledged to cut the budget by 40%, the Financieele Dagblad reports on Wednesday.

Rotterdam, The Hague and Amsterdam are being forced to put their public transport services out to public tender, which the government says will generate savings of €120m.

RET said it can provide bus services similar to current levels for €28m. Competitor Connexxion, which lost out in the tender process, told the Financieele Dagblad this is an 'uneconomic' amount and 25% below its own offer.

Rotterdam will also have to put its tram and metro services out to tender from 2016.

The concession runs for the next seven years and will start at the end of 2013.
If the bid is legit, than is a good one because the city wills save money.

Now let's hope some private operator snatches the Metro and tram network. Maybe Veolia should bid-to-win for the rail-based services....

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A semi-related question: does anyone know the status of Randstad Rail in regard of being or being not put to public tender?
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Old June 9th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #156
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I have one question:
Is the Rotterdam Metro a Metro or a Premetro?
I mean, it looks and serves the purpose of a full metro but it uses Light Rail trains and has a few level crossings...
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Old June 9th, 2013, 07:10 PM   #157
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I would consider the core of the network as a full metro, although I do see that in terms of size and operation it also has more in common with for example the Docklands Light Rail in London then with other full metro systems in large European cities. But as system in a smaller European city it's undoubtedly a full metro. The most part of the network, underground and overground is completely grade separated. There's just 1 line with 2 smaller branches that is built as a premetro, but it's much more an overground metro line with level crossings then a tram line that happens to be extended into the metro tunnels in the central Rotterdam.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #158
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Although Rotterdam's network is hybrid with with fasttram and lightrail sections and a significant part built elevated overground, metro is a perfectly fine description for its predominant features.

In Amsterdam the fasttram section is larger and more often described as such, still there it is part of a network that is best described as metro.

If you want to get technical, it's all metro simply because rails and schedules are adjusted to fit gauge and frequencies of the existing metro network.
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Old June 10th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #159
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Thank you
I was also thinking in terms of cost
I was researching the trains and it seems that even they, though technically light rail, are almost metro Trains as they are high floor, longer and substantially heavier than other Flexity Swift Trains

They also look and act much more metro-like

So there are no stations on the road?
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So there are no stations on the road?
I don't think so. All stations on at-grade sections have gates to control the flow of pedestrians and vehicles, and signaling is that of a normal rail with grade crossings, not that of a tram. Crossings are always controlled.

So it is a different situation that those systems that are essentially trams with some underground sectors.

Line E shares a sector with the trams Den Haag-Zoetermeer. On that sector, they have dual-height platforms
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