Kenyan Political FORUM | Siasa Za Kenya

[Janam2000]

This is a platform for discussion of Kenya's turbulent political situation, that is characterised with machinations, scheming, tribalisation, nepotism and the unknowns.

Disclamaimer:

• Let us be polite and respectifully of each other.
• Let us be tolerant and to different views and opinions.
• Swahili/English is acceptable

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[Nobleskills]

We need to sweep out all this politicians we have, make a new generation leaders!

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by Nobleskills

We need to sweep out all this politicians we have, make a new generation leaders!

So far, it looks like the ''new generation leaders'' are not yet born. Though I get the feeling the next elections will see a large number of the current "leaders" being sent home yet again...if we get that chance.

[nairoberry]

man these politicians are so much into political shite that even if some of them tried to do the right thing their past deeds would prevent them from doing any good. that is why gosh dang it these leaders should just get the hell out of city halls all over kenya, the parliament, vacate their ministerial posts and the state house!!!!! they just need to sod off ASAP!!!!!!!!!

Same BS everytime. i mean i know the newspapers tend to only focus on bad news but still these leaders just dont get it even when the president is interrupted in his speech they(the govt) still doesnt get it. you see other country leaders(although not perfect) doing their best to improve the lives of their citizens and yet our dumb leaders cant do shit to benefit the mwananchi. everytime one of these so called kenyan leaders open their mouths they just piss me off even more!!?? why us? why kenyans? why?? what did kenyans ever do to deserve these morally corrupt leaders???FUCK!!!!! man, someone pass me a glass of water coz i seriously gotta cool off.

[ernestombayo7]

The problem is Kenyans will keep voting for these incompetent and corrupt leaders every time.When people try to vote for change and other Kenyans vote for the same corrupt leaders who feel like they own the country,we should not be surprised that corruption,incompetence and laxity is what characterizes our government.

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by ernestombayo7

The problem is Kenyans will keep voting for these incompetent and corrupt leaders every time.When people try to vote for change and other Kenyans vote for the same corrupt leaders who feel like they own the country,we should not be surprised that corruption,incompetence and laxity is what characterizes our government.

Just wondering. is it possible to pick out someone with potential from outside parliament. someone who has shown that he can perform eg. former Nairobi city council town clerk, then most of us back that person for president instead of those goons inside parliament. one way or another, their time is going to be up. (If only Kenyans change their voting patterns.)

[P.a.t.r.i.o.t]

I already cast my vote for 2012.. Its going to be Martha Karua,I dont care if she has a real shot at winning or not..she is Kenya's closest thing to Obama among our current crop of politicians!

[P.a.t.r.i.o.t]

Originally Posted by ernestombayo7

The problem is Kenyans will keep voting for these incompetent and corrupt leaders every time.When people try to vote for change and other Kenyans vote for the same corrupt leaders who feel like they own the country,we should not be surprised that corruption,incompetence and laxity is what characterizes our government.

Sad but true.. I would say tribalism and ignorance are our biggest problems. Unfortunately,the bulk of our electorate is very gullible and naive..our politicians know this and they always play it to their advantage. All is not lost though,Kenyans are more informed now and we will get there..even if it takes forever...

[chui]

Originally Posted by Kenguy

Just wondering. is it possible to pick out someone with potential from outside parliament. someone who has shown that he can perform eg. former Nairobi city council town clerk, then most of us back that person for president instead of those goons inside parliament. one way or another, their time is going to be up. (If only Kenyans change their voting patterns.)

The former NCC town clerk may have been a performer, but to the eyes of many, he is a Kikuyu, therefore unelectable. This is the tragedy of Kenya.

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by P.a.t.r.i.o.t

I already cast my vote for 2012.. Its going to be Martha Karua,I dont care if she has a real shot at winning or not..she is Kenya's closest thing to Obama among our current crop of politicians!

Well, she does have potential but she has like four things running against her.

1.She is a woman (I really wish Kenya has a lady for a president but not too many people want that.)

2.She comes from a poor background (good for me coz she knows how much Kenyans suffer but for other fatcats in that house, no way)

3.She is a Kikuyu (sadly, I have to factor that in)

4.She is abrasive. She just rubs too many people the wrong way.

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by chui

The former NCC town clerk may have been a performer, but to the eyes of many, he is a Kikuyu, therefore unelectable. This is the tragedy of Kenya.

Maybe not. These guys are good at forming coalitions and they have to bring in a Kikuyu to balance their ethnic arithmetic. There might not be a Kikuyu president but a prime minister may be highly possible.

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

everytime one of these so called kenyan leaders open their mouths they just piss me off even more!!??

I see this as a good thing. Kenyans everywhere feel the way you do. I have travelled and interracted with people all over Kenya and you can sense the anger in their voice. Remember the loathing people displayed towards Moi's government in 2002, I sense the same disgust and maybe to a higher degree for the current government. And it seems our MP's are too blind to see this.Their time is running out. Wakati hii si mchezo.

[KQV208]

Our leaders are all incapable of leading a nation as sophisticated as kenya. We need a totally new generation of technocrats based on merit with a soft authoritarian feel. If this doesn't happen soon , we are going to continue dwelling in the dark ages for a long, long time.

[nairoberry]

I seriosly mean no malice by this question and i hope we are rational in our responses. is it that a large number of kenyans really do believe the kikuyu steriotypes or is it the that kibaki and his mt kenya buddies gave kikuyus a bad rap among kenyans? i am a kamba and personally i have no problem about any kenyan from any tribe being in governent but i cannot stand the so called mt kenya mafia with the corruption scandals, and the mismanagement/misuse of public office and power. its not the kikuyu i dont like in power, its kibaki and hi buddies that i cant stand. actually apart from harun mwau(his work in his constituency speaks for itself), i dont think there is a current kamba leader that is fit to rule our nation, not kalonzo or my own MP mrs ngilu.

IMO, i believe that kenyans(not from mt kenya area) have no problem with a kikuyu being in govt that is why they voted for mr kibaki back in 2002, but i do believe that kibaki misused/misunderstood/disregarded the faith and hopes that kenyans had placed on him and his administration by not honouring some of the MoU agreements, also he allowed the ultimate sin to be commited under his watch i.e grand corruption in the form of angloleasing, he then continued and had wako alter the bomas draft which really then pissed of people and our dear country got divided.

now on the same breath i have to say that odm isnt to be excused either, because after the MoU fallout they created a message that kikuyus were taking over government just to benefit their community, also after the wako draft odm camp never moved to repair the cracks that had divided our nation hence the kikuyus developed a strong dislike for ODM as a whole.

i might be wrong in some of my accounts and assesments but my opinion is, KENYANS AT THIS POINT REALLY DONT CARE WHICH TRIBE OUR NEXT LEADER COMES FROM AS LONG AS HE/SHE CAN GET THINGS DONE TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR NATION!!!!! idk if this is true or not but i dont think kikuyus have that much love left for MR kibaki and hi crew. im sure that if a person from any other tribe would emerge as a serious intelligent and fiercely patriotic leader kikuyus would vote for him because deep down kenyans want what is better for kenya as a whole.

so my question is, do kenyans really care what tribe their leaders come from? i have given you my opinion what is yours? please be civil, remember just coz other people dont agree with you it doesnt mean they are wrong or stupid.

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

I seriosly mean no malice by this question and i hope we are rational in our responses. is it that a large number of kenyans really do believe the kikuyu steriotypes or is it the that kibaki and his mt kenya buddies gave kikuyus a bad rap among kenyans? i am a kamba and personally i have no problem about any kenyan from any tribe being in governent but i cannot stand the so called mt kenya mafia with the corruption scandals, and the mismanagement/misuse of public office and power. its not the kikuyu i dont like in power, its kibaki and hi buddies that i cant stand. actually apart from harun mwau(his work in his constituency speaks for itself), i dont think there is a current kamba leader that is fit to rule our nation, not kalonzo or my own MP mrs ngilu.

IMO, i believe that kenyans(not from mt kenya area) have no problem with a kikuyu being in govt that is why they voted for mr kibaki back in 2002, but i do believe that kibaki misused/misunderstood/disregarded the faith and hopes that kenyans had placed on him and his administration by not honouring some of the MoU agreements, also he allowed the ultimate sin to be commited under his watch i.e grand corruption in the form of angloleasing, he then continued and had wako alter the bomas draft which really then pissed of people and our dear country got divided.

now on the same breath i have to say that odm isnt to be excused either, because after the MoU fallout they created a message that kikuyus were taking over government just to benefit their community, also after the wako draft odm camp never moved to repair the cracks that had divided our nation hence the kikuyus developed a strong dislike for ODM as a whole.

i might be wrong in some of my accounts and assesments but my opinion is, KENYANS AT THIS POINT REALLY DONT CARE WHICH TRIBE OUR NEXT LEADER COMES FROM AS LONG AS HE/SHE CAN GET THINGS DONE TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR NATION!!!!! idk if this is true or not but i dont think kikuyus have that much love left for MR kibaki and hi crew. im sure that if a person from any other tribe would emerge as a serious intelligent and fiercely patriotic leader kikuyus would vote for him because deep down kenyans want what is better for kenya as a whole.

so my question is, do kenyans really care what tribe their leaders come from? i have given you my opinion what is yours? please be civil, remember just coz other people dont agree with you it doesnt mean they are wrong or stupid.

As with all negative stereotypes, the Kikuyu ones started a long time ago and did not start during Kibaki's regime. Obviously, kibaki's regime has given the 'Kyuks' a bad name.

Im begining to believe that Kenyans didnt vote for Kibaki as a whole in 2002. I mean, Kibaki isn't exactly a firebrand politician who can move the masses. They merely followed their individual ethnic leaders who endorsed Kibaki in the hope that since their respective leaders will be in power, they will benefit in one way or another. Others like me just voted to kick Moi out period!

You are right about peoples dislike for Kibaki and every other leader cruising around in their SUV's as the mwananchi feels the pinch of the economic slowdown and drought. If only someone could stand up and show Kenyans what he/she really stands for in making the country move forward, this would be the perfect time. However, the psychological damage done after the 2007 elections cannot be wished away-Kenya changed...and I will forever curse our politicians for that.

[nairoberry]

Originally Posted by Kenguy

As with all negative stereotypes, the Kikuyu ones started a long time ago and did not start during Kibaki's regime. Obviously, kibaki's regime has given the 'Kyuks' a bad name.

Im begining to believe that Kenyans didnt vote for Kibaki as a whole in 2002. I mean, Kibaki isn't exactly a firebrand politician who can move the masses. They merely followed their individual ethnic leaders who endorsed Kibaki in the hope that since their respective leaders will be in power, they will benefit in one way or another. Others like me just voted to kick Moi out period!

You are right about peoples dislike for Kibaki and every other leader cruising around in their SUV's as the mwananchi feels the pinch of the economic slowdown and drought. If only someone could stand up and show Kenyans what he/she really stands for in making the country move forward, this would be the perfect time. However, the psychological damage done after the 2007 elections cannot be wished away-Kenya changed...and I will forever curse our politicians for that.

now that u mentioned it, it does make sense. i have never thought of it that way. i for one really believed in mr kibaki

[ernestombayo7]

I do think Martha Karua can be a good president.Problem is she can';t win without a formidable coalition.NARC kenya is not a popular party.I'm not sure how serious she is in running for president,it could be argued that she's just playing politics and she will join a coalition with either PNU or ODM and be rewarded with a DPM post in a future government.

[desert burner]

Originally Posted by P.a.t.r.i.o.t

I already cast my vote for 2012.. Its going to be Martha Karua,I dont care if she has a real shot at winning or not..she is Kenya's closest thing to Obama among our current crop of politicians!

for martha karua count me out i will be the last one voting for her, after she insulted my people during the referendum when people said chungwa in garissa, she later said even refugees refused to vote for us is that presidential material after you insulting the people you want their votes. i can assure you NEP is the province should be getting zero, its better to vote for pattni than her

[madmic4]

Changing the leaders alone will not help kenyans.what i see in kenya is leaders ruling the laws not laws ruling the leaders, as for now a new constitution is what kenya needs.

[ernestombayo7]

Originally Posted by madmic4

Changing the leaders alone will not help kenyans.what i see in kenya is leaders ruling the laws not laws ruling the leaders, as for now a new constitution is what kenya needs.

Well said! A new constitution that promotes devolution of power.An all powerful central government is a recipe for Corruption and impunity.