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Old August 7th, 2009, 06:21 AM   #21
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Genesis is my favorite.



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Soon they'll be pulling Talgo cars across Wisconsin and Northern Illinois too!

I'll have too look up some of these other locos in the thread. Keep 'em coming!
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Old August 7th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #22
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I meant more like single bodied locomotives, not 2 or three connected, but I guess that still counts as it's still huge.
EP200 is single bodied

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Old August 7th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #23
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Soon they'll be pulling Talgo cars across Wisconsin and Northern Illinois too!
That must look weird, such a high locomotive with the ultra low talgo cars.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 07:31 PM   #24
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That must look weird, such a high locomotive with the ultra low talgo cars.
I'll look something like what Amtrak's Cascades use.

Also, USA railroads have experimented with much higher power diesel and other locomotives over the years and found that as single-unit locomotives start going over about 3.5 MW they start to become impractical. It is much more cost effective to have four units of 3.5 MW than two units of 7 MW in a multiple-unit set. Yes, USA railroads have tried various non-straight electric post-steam technologies (ie, the 7.5 MW turbines used by Union Pacific in the 1950s and 1960s), but they all proved to be too expensive to operate and maintain for the power that they provided.

In fact, right now, Union Pacific is busy de-rating the 4.5 MW AC6000CW locomotives in its fleet to 3.3 MW.

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Old August 7th, 2009, 10:34 PM   #25
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To me, THIS is still the most impressive giant.
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Old August 8th, 2009, 03:37 AM   #26
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That must look weird, such a high locomotive with the ultra low talgo cars.
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I'll look something like what Amtrak's Cascades use.

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Right. The Talgo cars on each end had panels added to the top to make it look as if they rise up to meet the taller locomotives.

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Ah, that just doesn't look right.
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Old August 8th, 2009, 12:03 PM   #28
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Yes, I prefer the original Talgo locomotives






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Old August 8th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #29
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The Taurus locomotive is Austria's biggest engine? You guys don't have any 6 axle loco's for freight trains?
Well, in Europe, we like track quality and therefore the CC diagrams are
not regarded very favourably those days, because the longest wheelbase
of the C truck is much more agressive for the track. Also a C truck cannot
be made symmetric like a B truck can be, and the dis-balance is also bad
for the track.

CC locos were a necessity in the past because of adherence problems. You
needed CC locos for their weight, and because they could outpout more
tractive effort at startup. Today, with electronic traction control systems,
a modern BB loco and its 80 tons can output more tractive effort than a
120 tons CC loco of the 70's. That's why all electric CCs in Europe will
disappear : French CC 6500 and German E 103 are already gone, swiss
Ae 6/6 too, I think, and belgian HLE 20 have less than 10 years ahead of
them. And the big swiss machines that you have seen before in this thread,
the RE 6/6, are BBB, not CC. Same for the locos of the channel tunnel.
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The Ae 6/6 isn't gone, although many of them were recently stored because the declining traffic thanks to the economic crisis.
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Old August 8th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #31
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That must look weird, such a high locomotive with the ultra low talgo cars.
It's really common in Spain too. Huge Vossloh locomotives with teenie talgo cars
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Yes, that also looks weird.



Their electric traction with Siemens 252 locomotive is already much better.


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Old August 9th, 2009, 12:50 AM   #33
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Orignal post by MarcVD

That's why all electric CCs in Europe will
disappear : French CC 6500 and German E 103 are already gone, swiss
Ae 6/6 too, I think, and belgian HLE 20 have less than 10 years ahead of
them. And the big swiss machines that you have seen before in this thread,
the RE 6/6, are BBB, not CC. Same for the locos of the channel tunnel.



Yours is the first explanation I've seen that clearly reveals why the European electric fleet is, for the most part, made up of Bo-Bo machines. So thanks for that.

However, do you not think you're being a bit hasty with reagrds to your statement about the shelf life of Co-Co machines?

For example, the three operators of the class 92, bought into use for Channel Tunnel work from the mid-90s, are hardly going to scrap these machines.






One would also hardly expect DB Schenker to scrap the Co-Co EuroSprinter electrics, bought into use for working between Germany and Sweden.






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^There are also the 6 axle hercules locomotives, though I'm not sure if they're electric or diesel electric.
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Do these locomotives still run in England?

I like them

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Right. The Talgo cars on each end had panels added to the top to make it look as if they rise up to meet the taller locomotives.

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I never understand why they used talgo cars with those locamotives...
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Do these locomotives still run in England?

I like them

not in normal service...network rail does run them to check track i think
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Yes they - the class 37 - are still in normal service.

Two companies use them. Direct Rail Services (DRS) has them hauling nuclear waste trains, while DB Schenker has a handful of them to haul some trains for Network Rail.
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^There are also the 6 axle hercules locomotives, though I'm not sure if they're electric or diesel electric.



From which country/operator?
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I lake that one!

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