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Old May 22nd, 2010, 08:51 AM   #201
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This is what the Air India Express plane that crashed looked like. The tail was different though.

Air India plane crashes in Mangalore: 169 on board

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Old May 22nd, 2010, 11:29 AM   #202
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****! Another one. RIP. Runway overshoot...
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We have had crashes one after another in the past two weeks... What's going wrong???
Statistically, such strings of events (in this case crashes) are to be expected.

So this month we had:
Afriqiyah 771 (A330)
Blue Wing (An-28)
Pamir Airways 112 (An-24)
Air India Express 812 (737)
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Old May 22nd, 2010, 11:11 PM   #203
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An Airbus, Antonov, and Boeing plane all go down in one month!? THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 06:07 PM   #204
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To put this into context, Indian skies haven't seen many accidents in the past decade actually.

Air crash puts focus on India infrastructure, safety

NEW DELHI, May 23 (Reuters) - An air crash in India that killed 158 people has underlined fears about safety gaps in the country's booming airline industry and raised doubts about whether infrastructure can keep pace with rapid economic growth.

It was not clear what caused Saturday's crash, but pilots and aviation experts say regulatory oversight of safety and quality control are often poor. Staff training standards are also falling, they say.

Although India has had few major accidents in recent years, some half a dozen mid-air misses over the past year has underscored that safety issues exist.

Last year an Indian Airlines plane with about 150 passengers on board barely avoided a collision with an army helicopter that was part of the Indian president's entourage in Mumbai.

Indian media regularly reports about routine checks finding pilots reporting drunk for duty and in one instance last year pilots and crew were involved in a mid-air scuffle, leaving the aircraft to fly on its own for sometime.

"The Air India Express crash was waiting to happen," said A. Ranganathan, an airline safety consultant and pilot instructor.

"Safety standards in Indian aviation have been on the wane for the last six years. Efforts being made to correct the drift, but the systematic rot is so deep ... we are not likely to see any improvement in safety unless drastic changes are made."

Sustained robust growth has put more money in people's pockets, spurring air travel and an exponential growth in the number of low cost airlines. Domestic passenger traffic has tripled and international traffic doubled in the past five years.

But infrastructure may not have kept pace and a shortage of staff may be stretching both airlines and traffic control staff. Indian Commercial Pilot Association said in a statement 78 percent of crashes took place due to fatigue-related human error.

"You also need to augment the strength of air traffic control which is stretched," Kapil Kaul, head of the Centre for Asia-Pacific Aviation in South Asia, told Reuters.

"DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN"

The hill-top airport at Mangalore, the site of Saturday's crash, had other geographical challenges, and critics say the runway, though adequate for landing the Boeing 737 that crashed, was not long or wide enough to leave any room for error.

"This was no accident, but the direct result of the deliberate failure of officials at the high levels," said a statement of Environment Support Group which had sought to block the construction of the runway. While it was yet to be established if the accident was related to wider problems in India's aviation industry, experts say a lack of training, overworked staff and inadequate infrastructure only compounds the situation.

For instance, only seven radars serve Indian air space and only big airports have the latest low-visibility landing systems, a senior official of the Airports Authority of India told Reuters.

"A disaster was waiting to happen and we have been very lucky to have had no major accidents in the past 10 years," the official involved with aviation security said on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.

In April 2008, then director general of civil aviation, Kanu Gohain, told the Mint newspaper that India had just three inspectors for 10 commercial airlines and 600 planes.

That number has now gone up, but many remain under-trained and a backlog of lapsed inspections may take years to clear.

A 2006 safety audit by the International Civil Aviation Organisation listed India as worst on "technical personnel qualification and training".

As the airline sector expanded, a shortage of pilots was met by hiring foreign pilots, some 565 of them flying now. But the government has ordered airlines to replace them with Indians by next summer, raising concerns about how the country will be able to produce enough qualified pilots so quickly. There are also calls to make inquiries into air accidents transparent. "To my knowledge in the last 50 years no inquiry report has been made public," Kaul said. "There is also the need for an independent safety board."
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Old May 25th, 2010, 05:40 PM   #205
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Do Expat Pilots Deserve Scrutiny After Mangalore Crash?
25 May 2010

(This story has been posted on The Wall Street Journal Online's India Real Time Report blog at blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime.)

Posted by Amol Sharma

The crash of an Air India Express jet in Mangalore has turned a spotlight on the use of foreign pilots in India, with some aviation consultants and media talking heads pointing the finger at expatriates for accidents and close-shaves in recent years.

Aviation and Air India officials have been quick to point out, however, that the pilot of the Boeing 737-800 in Saturday's accident, a U.K. national of Serbian heritage, was quite experienced. He had 9,000 hours of flying experience and had landed 19 times at Mangalore's Bajpe airport, the company's chairman told reporters Sunday. So it would seem a stretch to suggest that he was somehow unprepared to pull off the hilltop landing.

Nevertheless, the crash of flight IX 812 has provoked debate again on whether India needs foreign pilots in the first place. As of January, there were 562 expatriates commanding Indian jetliners, according to government data. Kingfisher Airlines had the most with 139, while Jet Airways and Air India had 137 and 136, respectively. There are about 9,800 total licensed commercial pilots in India, though many are only qualified to serve as co-pilots.

Foreign pilots were brought on a few years ago because there weren't enough Indian aviators with the experience to command the new aircraft, including the Boeing 737-800 and the Boeing 777, being inducted into the Indian fleet as the industry expanded.

Some Indian aviators have raised concerns about cultural miscues--language misunderstandings and the like--when an Indian pilot and an expatriate are working a flight together. But one Air India pilot, an Indian, said such issues are often overblown and were unlikely to have played any role in the crash.

"The confusion that takes place in the cockpit is usually very minor and wouldn't lead to such a catastrophe," the pilot said, requesting anonymity since the airline has a gag on its employees during the post-crash controversy.

The idea was that the foreigners would train Indians to operate the more advanced aircraft over time, but Indian pilots have complained that they aren't being promoted fast enough.

"There isn't a good plan in place to promote the Indian pilots and remove the expats," the Air India pilot said.

The issue of when the expatriates would be kicked out became more pressing when the industry's breakneck growth fell off in 2008 and early 2009 amid the global downturn, making it harder for Indian pilots to get jobs. Some union officials say that even with the economic rebound in recent months, there are still thousands of Indian pilots out of work.

Airlines have indeed removed several hundred expatriates in the past few years and the Directorate General of Civil Aviation, the top airline regulator in India, has ordered airlines to phase out expatriate pilots entirely by July 31, 2011.

India is also trying hard to improve its training facilities so a new generation of pilots is ready to take command of advanced wide-body jetliners. In response to a question in parliament on May 4, Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel said "in order to have sufficient quality of pilots over longer period of time," the government has modernized the Indira Gandhi Rashtriya Uran Akademi (The Indira Gandhi National Flight Academy) by acquiring more trainer aircraft and upgrading civil and electrical infrastructure. A new flying institute has also been set up in Maharashtra state, he said.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:44 PM   #206
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Libya crash investigators say no technical fault

TRIPOLI, May 30 (Reuters) - Data retrieved so far from an Airbus A330 which crashed in Libya on May 12 has revealed no evidence of any technical failure with the aircraft before the crash, a Libyan commission of investigation said.

"There is no sign indicating a technical failure in the plane before the incident, according to data recovered up until now from the two black boxes," commission chief Naji Dhaw said in a preliminary report seen by Reuters.

The report also ruled out an explosion or fire on board the plane before the crash, which killed 103 people, and said there was no evidence it was caused by an act of terrorism.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 11:18 PM   #207
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It's time to remember the worst aviation disaster in history. On March, 27th, 1977, 583 people on board of two 747 died in a collision on Tenerife Airport Los Rodeos.

The final minutes before the disaster:

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Old June 6th, 2010, 11:06 PM   #208
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Dutch Twitter just exploded, an airplane was flying low and burning.

Slighty new information is coming online.

Maroc Air plane
Burning wing
Landed safely
Approx. 250 people aboard
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Old June 6th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #209
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Airplane flew realy low, people in city Haarlem could see it clearly. Police speaks of miracle that the airplane didn't hit anything.
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Old June 7th, 2010, 12:43 AM   #210
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Old June 7th, 2010, 09:19 AM   #211
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It's time to remember the worst aviation disaster in history. On March, 27th, 1977, 583 people on board of two 747 died in a collision on Tenerife Airport Los Rodeos.

The final minutes before the disaster:

this is for real??? Good Lord!!!
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Old June 7th, 2010, 11:33 AM   #212
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You mean you never heard of the Tenerife air disaster?
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Old June 7th, 2010, 12:32 PM   #213
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Dutch Twitter just exploded, an airplane was flying low and burning.

Slighty new information is coming online.

Maroc Air plane
Burning wing
Landed safely
Approx. 250 people aboard
M...yeah. It was a Royal Air Maroc 737-400, with 156 pax, suffered a bird strike. Landed safely.

It's always interesting to see the difference between eye witness accounts and what really happened.
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Old June 8th, 2010, 04:43 AM   #214
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M...yeah. It was a Royal Air Maroc 737-400, with 156 pax, suffered a bird strike. Landed safely.

It's always interesting to see the difference between eye witness accounts and what really happened.
Ah .. so a flaming engine due to a bird strike, not a burning wing!
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pics or it never happened
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Old June 8th, 2010, 01:22 PM   #216
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Here...
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 04:43 PM   #217
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Plane fails to take off in DR Congo as landing gears explodes
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KINSHASA, June 22 (PNA/Xinhua) -- A Boeing MD 80 aircraft failed to take off in Kinshasa on Monday as one of its landing gears suddenly exploded, airport officials told Xinhua.

The plane, which belongs to Hewa Bora airline company, was at the Ndjili international airport in Kinshasa, the capital of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and was due to leave for Goma, a city in eastern DRC.

The pilot managed to maintain the plane and safely brought it back to the runway after a short take-off.

No casualty was reported among the 101 passengers aboard. But the aircraft was damaged.

The accident once again raises safety concerns in DRC's civil aviation sector. Recently, the civil aviation authority promised to be more strict when awarding contracts, licenses and flying certificates to airlines to ensure safety.

An inquiry has been launched by the regulatory body to look into the incident. (PNA/Xinhua)
http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=...d=4&rid=283120
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Old June 24th, 2010, 06:10 AM   #218
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Sundance plane found in Congo with no survivors

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IT could take weeks to repatriate the bodies of six Australian mining executives after rescuers found the wreckage of their crashed plane in remote jungle in west Africa.

The entire board of Perth-based mining company Sundance Resources were among the 11 people killed when their twin turboprop CASA C212 plane crashed during a flight from Cameroon's capital Yaounde to Yangadou in Congo on Saturday.

The executives were on their way to inspect Sundance's Mbalam iron ore project, near Yangadou.

Congolese civil aviation chief Michel Ambendet confirmed that the plane had been found at Dima, an area about 30km from Yangadou.

On board were Queensland mining magnate and Sundance non-executive director Ken Talbot, chairman Geoff Wedlock, chief executive Don Lewis, company secretary John Carr-Gregg and non-executive directors John Jones and Craig Oliver.
Basically, 11 people died on the aircraft when it crashed on its way to Congo . rip

http://www.news.com.au/national/sund...-1225882528007
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Old June 24th, 2010, 12:49 PM   #219
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An old one:, Brussels, Belgium: 25 may,2008







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Old June 30th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #220
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Incident: TRIP AT42 at Ipatinga on Jun 28th 2010, runway excursion on landing

By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Jun 29th 2010 16:56Z, last updated Wednesday, Jun 30th 2010 15:46Z


PR-TTE on soft ground (Photo: FAB)


A TRIP Linhas Aereas Aerospatiale ATR-42-300, registration PR-TTE performing flight T4-5510 from Sao Paulo Guarulhos,SP to Ipatinga,MG (Brazil) with 47 passengers and 4 crew, was landing on Ipatinga's runway 23, when the airplane veered to the right and came to a stop on soft ground a few meters off the runway. No injuries occured, the airplane received minor damage to the landing gear.

The airline confirmed the runway excursion, no injuries occured, the airplane received minor damage to the landing gear. A replacement aircraft continued the flight on its next legs from Ipatinga to Governador Valadares,MG and Vitoria,ES (Brazil) with a delay of 2 hours.

The airline indicated later, that a wheel of the landing gear had come loose presumably prior to touch down.

Brazil's Aviation Authority ANAC is awaiting further information from the airline to decide, whether an investigation will be initiated.

Passengers reported that the airplane came to a stop in a cloud of red dust. The captain later told them that the left hand propeller did not go into reverse due to a malfunction.

No Metars were available for SBIP, the local weather station reported calm winds, visibility above 10km and scattered cloud all day.

Metars:
SBIP 281500Z 23003KT 9999 FEW045 25/20 Q1023 =
SBIP 281400Z 27003KT 9999 FEW045 24/20 Q1024 =
SBIP 281300Z 25004KT 9999 FEW045 21/15 Q1025 =

SBIP 281200Z 23004KT 9999 SCT045 17/14 Q1025 =
SBIP 281100Z 24003KT 9999 SCT045 15/14 Q1024 =

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