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Old July 27th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #221
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Lufthansa cargo plane split in half in Riyadh

Lufthansa cargo plane split in half in Riyadh

A cargo plane belonging to the German carrier Lufthansa crashed on landing at Riyadh airport on Tuesday, with the pilots hospitalized, Al Arabiya and the Saudi state television reported.

"The plane's pilot and co-pilot were hospitalized," said Al Arabiya TV.

It said the aircraft broke up into two on landing after smoke was seen coming from the plane as it approached the airport. Civil defense teams were working to put out the fire.

A Saudi civil aviation authority spokesman, Khalid al-Khaibri, gave no details on the crash, which took place at around noon (0900 GMT). "We are still collecting information," he said.

An airport ground services official, declining to give his name, told AFP the plane, apparently an MD-11, appeared to have caught fire upon landing. "The aircraft is totally finished," he said.

Lufthansa had a scheduled flight to Riyadh from its Frankfurt hub on Tuesday, airport sources said.

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Old July 27th, 2010, 02:39 PM   #222
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picture (sorry for the low quality) of the Lufthansa Cargo MD-11 that crashed at Riyadh

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Old July 27th, 2010, 04:58 PM   #223
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According to Lufthansa Cargo News, the two pilots were able to leave the aircraft down the emergency slide. Both pilots have already been contacted on the phone, they are currently being treated in hospital.

The MD-11 freighter, coded D-ALCQ, was severely damaged but a fire on board has been extinguished. On board the freighter were 80 tonnes of freight.

The aircraft was delivered in 1993 and taken over by Lufthansa Cargo in 2004. Up to the accident in Riyadh, it had logged 10,073 take-offs and around 73,200 flying hours. The freighter completed its last comprehensive maintenance check (C-Check) on 22 June 2009, an A-Check was carried out immediately prior to the flight to Riyadh. The experienced cockpit crew consisted of a 39 year-old captain and a 29 year-old first officer.

The cause of the accident is still under investigation. A team of experts from Lufthansa Cargo is on its way to Riyadh. Lufthansa Cargo is cooperating closely with the authorities in Riyadh and will do its utmost to help clarify the reasons for the accident. At the moment, we have no further details.

Source: Lufthansa Cargo

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Old July 28th, 2010, 09:25 AM   #225
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Plane Carrying 152 Crashes in Pakistan

Airblue jet goes down outside Islamabad


Over 150 passengers and crew are feared dead after an Airblue plane crashed into hills near the Pakistani capital. The plane, flying from Karachi to Islamabad, lost contact with the control tower as it was about to land, a local official told AP. The jet was carrying 146 passengers and six crew, according to an airline spokesman. Heavy rain and thick fog in the area is impeding rescue efforts.

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Old July 28th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #226
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Old July 28th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #227
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Private airliner crashes in Islamabad,159 onboard



ISLAMABAD: Ten bodies have been recovered from Margalla where a private airliner was crashed early on Wednesday.

Chairman Capital Development Authority (CDA) told Geo News that rescue workers facing problems due to difficult hilly location, however, Front Guards reached at the site of incident and so far 10 bodies have been recovered. Keeping in view the nature of the incident, there are thin chances of survivor, he added.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani ordered inquiry report from defence ministry. At least 159 people including crew members were onboard.

http://geo.tv/7-28-2010/69072.htm

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ISLAMABAD: Ten bodies have been recovered from Margalla where a private airliner was crashed early on Wednesday.

Chairman Capital Development Authority (CDA) told Geo News that rescue workers facing problems due to difficult hilly location, however, Front Guards reached at the site of incident and so far 10 bodies have been recovered. Keeping in view the nature of the incident, there are thin chances of survivor, he added.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani ordered inquiry report from defence ministry. At least 159 people including crew members were onboard.

http://geo.tv/7-28-2010/69072.htm

It is reported here in Japan that there were 5 survivors and that they had been taken to a hospital.
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Old July 28th, 2010, 02:29 PM   #229
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Plane crash in Pakistan kills 152 people

ISLAMABAD — A government official says all 152 people on board a plane that crashed in the hills surrounding Pakistan's capital were killed.
Imtiaz Elahi, the chairman of the Capital Development Authority, told The Associated Press that earlier reports of five survivors from the crash were wrong and that all aboard died. The Capital Development Authority has a group that responds to emergency situations.

The cause of Wednesday's Airblue crash was not immediately clear. It attempted to land in rainy and cloudy conditions. THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

ISLAMABAD (AP) — A passenger jet carrying 152 people crashed Wednesday into the hills surrounding Pakistan's capital amid poor weather, killing at least 50 people and stoking fears nobody could have survived the disaster. Interior Minister Rehman Malik said five people survived the crash of the Airblue plane and were airlifted to a hospital in Islamabad. But doctors reported no sign of survivors at the city's two largest hospitals, and rescue workers at the scene expressed skepticism that anyone could have survived.

"Now we are pretty sure that there is not a single survivor," Hanif Khattak, the director general of Pakistan's Civil Defense, told The Associated Press near the crash site.

Local TV footage showed twisted metal wreckage hanging from trees and scattered across the ground on a bed of broken branches. Fire was visible and smoke rose from the scene as a helicopter hovered above. The army said it was sending special troops to aid the search.

"I'm seeing only body parts," Dawar Adnan, a rescue worker with the Pakistan Red Crescent, told The Associated Press by telephone from the crash site. "This is a very horrible scene. We have scanned almost all the area, but there is no chance of any more survivors."
The search effort was hampered by muddy conditions and smoldering wreckage that authorities were having trouble extinguishing by helicopter, Adnan said.

The cause of the crash was not immediately clear, said Pervez George, a civil aviation official. The plane left the southern city of Karachi at 7:45 a.m. for a two-hour scheduled flight to Islamabad and was trying to land during cloudy and rainy weather.

Airblue is a private service based in Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, and Wednesday's flight was believed to be carrying mostly Pakistanis.
Rescue workers scouring the heavily forested hills recovered 50 bodies from the wreckage, said Ramzan Sajid, spokesman for Capital Development Authority, which reports to the Interior Ministry and has a group that deals with emergencies.

"The plane was about to land at the Islamabad airport when it lost contact with the control tower, and later we learned that the plane had crashed," said George, adding the model was an Airbus 321 and the flight number was ED202.

At the Islamabad airport, hundreds of friends and relatives of those on board the flight swarmed ticket counters desperately seeking information. A large cluster of people also surrounded a passenger list posted near the Airblue ticket counter.
"We don't know who survived, who died, who is injured," said Zulfikar Ghazi, who was waiting to receive four relatives. "We are in shock."
Saqlain Altaf told Pakistan's ARY news channel he was on a family outing in the hills when he saw the plane looking unsteady in the air. "The plane had lost balance, and then we saw it going down," he said, adding he heard the crash.

Officials at first thought it was a small plane, but later revised that. George said 146 passengers were on the flight along with six crew members.
The Pakistan Airline Pilot Association said the plane appeared to have strayed off course, possibly because of the poor weather.
Raheel Ahmed, a spokesman for the airline, said an investigation would be launched, but for now the focus was to find survivors. The plane was no more than eight-years old, and it had no known technical issues, Ahmed said. The pilots did not send any emergency signals, he said.

The last major plane crash in Pakistan was in July 2006 when a Fokker F-27 twin-engine aircraft operated by Pakistan International Airlines slammed into a wheat field on the outskirts of the central Pakistani city of Multan, killing all 45 people on board. Airblue flies within Pakistan as well as internationally to the United Arab Emirates, Oman and the United Kingdom.

The only previous recorded accident for Airblue, a carrier that began flying in 2004, was a tail-strike in May 2008 at Quetta airport by one of the airline's Airbus 321 jets. There were no casualties and damage was minimal, according to the U.S.-based Aviation Safety Network. The Airbus 320 family of medium-range jets, which includes the 321 model that crashed Wednesday, is one of the most popular in the world, with about 4,000 jets delivered since deliveries began in 1988.

Twenty-one of the aircraft have been lost in accidents since then, according to the Aviation Safety Network's database. The deadliest was a 2007 crash at landing in Sao Paolo by Brazil's TAM airline, in which all 187 people on board perished, along with 12 others on the ground.

Associated Press Aviation Writer Slobodan Lekic in Brussels, as well as AP Writers Ashraf Khan in Karachi and Zarar Khan in Islamabad contributed to this report.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...wVTmAD9H80LHO0
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Airblue's (Karachi) Airbus A321-231 AP-BJB (msn 1218) crashed this morning (July 28, 2010) while on approach to Islamabad, 152 dead.

Here is a picture of AP-BJB at Manchester before the accident:
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Old July 28th, 2010, 04:17 PM   #232
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Malik wants inquiry into route change

ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister Rehman A Malik, grieved over the disastrous accident that killed several people this morning in Islamabad, said the inquiry would be conducted to ascertain the cause as to why the plane was on wrong route, Geo News reported Wednesday.

Speaking about the incident, he said the plane was signaled to land on the runway at a time when it was flying at a height of 2500 feet; however, the plane started to soar higher and reached 3,000 feet after the landing permission.

Malik said the search for the black box is on the go; so that, the actual course of the incident could be found out.

The interior minister stressed that investigations would be conducted to discover as to why plane flew on wrong path.

A special counter has been set up at the airport, so that the bereaved can garner information about the passengers of the plane.

http://www.geo.tv/7-28-2010/69096.htm








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We do not know the exact cause of the flight but based on what I know about the Isloo (Islamabad airport) from some pilot relatives of mine, here is one possible scenario.

Islamabad airport, which is actually a military airbase also serving as a commercial airport, has two approaches- runway 30 and runway 12. Usually, runway 30 is used for all traffic as it is a relatively easy approach and doesn't take you anyway near the city center, the nearby Dhamial airbase and GHQ (which are restricted areas) or the margalla hills. Runway 30 has full ILS which means you can land by instruments even in very poor visibility.

However, given that flights coming in to land on runway 30 never have to go anyway near the Margalla hills, it seems this morning (as also confirmed by brightside above ) they were using runway 12--the one that is not normally used--and that one doesn't have ILS so you have to do a visual approach.

Given the low level of clouds, it means pilots may approach runway 30 (using ILS) and then do a sort of an elongated semi-circle to approach runway 12--which would take them close and parallel to the Margalla hills. It would seem that the pilot might be doing exactly this and this is not an easy approach , particularly with such low visibility.

Also Isloo has some notorious windy conditions (for planes) in bad weather due to the hills and could have cause sudden loss of altitude or it could be simple navigation error on the side of the pilot.

Alternately, this could be a CFIT accident similarity to what happened in Cali on AA when pilot lost situational awareness due to navigational error. Its possible that in such windy conditions, inertial navigation system could lead to some error of calculation and there isn't much of a margin when you're flying at that speed.

Hopefully the black boxes would reveal the whole story and prevent such accidents from happening in future.

RIP all who perished.
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Black box recovered from the area

ISLAMABAD: The black box of the ill-fated flight ED 202 has been recovered from the area, Geo News reported Wednesday.

An airliner carrying 152 people crashed in a ball of flames Wednesday into densely wooded hills outside Islamabad amid heavy rain and poor visibility, killing everyone on board.

Rescue officials said pieces of charred flesh and body parts were littered around the smoldering wreckage, partially buried on a remote hillside, in the deadliest crash involving a Pakistani passenger jet in 18 years.

Useful information regarding the incident was expected from the record. It is important to mention here that there was no facility in Pakistan to decode the information from the box.
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R.I.P. to those poor passengers and crew!!!!!!! my thoughts go out to there families.
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I PITY ON THE STATE OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS COUNTRY PAKISTAN. IN PUBLIC PLACES, TRANSPORT AND AIRLINES SAFETY... EVERYDAY THERE ARE BOMBS EXPLODING, TERRORIST ACTS, MILITANCY, WHEN CAN THE WHOLE WORLD SAY PAKISTAN IS A SAFE PLACE....
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I PITY ON THE STATE OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS COUNTRY PAKISTAN. IN PUBLIC PLACES, TRANSPORT AND AIRLINES SAFETY... EVERYDAY THERE ARE BOMBS EXPLODING, TERRORIST ACTS, MILITANCY, WHEN CAN THE WHOLE WORLD SAY PAKISTAN IS A SAFE PLACE....
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C-17 crashes at Anchorage base

A board of military officers plans to investigate a plane crash that witnesses say sent a fireball rising hundreds of feet over an Air Force base near downtown Anchorage.

The plane was on a local training run Wednesday when it crashed with four people onboard at Elmendorf Air Force Base, authorities said. They gave no immediate word on casualties.

At a press conference Wednesday night, Lt. Gen. Dana Atkins said the C-17 was not an ejection aircraft and it was "likely nobody escaped," but he added that he had no personal information on whether there were any fatalaties.

"It's likely there are fatalities involved in this mishap," he said Wednesday night.

Access routes to the site, which was not on a runway, were closed after the 6:14 p.m. crash.

The plane was from the 3rd Wing, based at Elmendorf, and the crash happened during a training demonstration for an upcoming weekend air show, Atkins said.

Anchorage Fire Dept. Captain Bryan Grella said his crew was just finishing dinner at about 6:30 p.m. at the downtown fire station when something caught his eye.

"It was a big, gray plume of smoke, and I saw a fireball go up in it," he said.

The fireball extended about 750 feet in the air. He estimated the plume to be about two miles from downtown.

The crash is the third airplane incident in Anchorage this summer. In June, one child was killed and four others burned when a small plane crashed after taking off from the city's small-airplane airport in downtown Anchorage.

Days later, a small plane landed on the busy Glenn Highway, the only highway leading north out of Anchorage. There were no injuries in the latter mishap.

Gov. Sean Parnell and Sen. Mark Begich issued statements late Wednesday expressing sadness over the crash and sending well-wishes to members of the military.

"Alaskans are very connected to the military, and our thoughts and prayers are with Alaska's Air Force family," Parnell said.

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I pity your mental state.
I also Pity this kind of people, they don't have right direction, no social improvement at least you cannot match India's Development and you will be left behind by countries around you. Dont be hurt because this is the reality. Unless, you change your government stand , influence and structure these will change. Have you seen westerners walking around Pakistan's cities? No Sir, because its very DANGEROUS PLACE..
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I also Pity this kind of people, they don't have right direction, no social improvement at least you cannot match India's Development and you will be left behind by countries around you. Dont be hurt because this is the reality. Unless, you change your government stand , influence and structure these will change. Have you seen westerners walking around Pakistan's cities? No Sir, because its very DANGEROUS PLACE..

THE INTENTION HERE IS NOT TO EMBARRASS THIS COUNTRY BUT TO BE AWARE FOR THOSE AUTHORITIES THERE SAFETY IS IMPORTANT:

Fatal Events Since 1970 for
Pakistan International Airlines

The following events are those involving at least one passenger death where the aircraft flight had a direct or indirect role. Excluded would be events where the only passengers killed were stowaways, hijackers, or saboteurs.

1. 5 August 1970; Pakistan International Airlines F27; Islamabad, Pakistan: The aircraft entered a steep dive and crashed about three minutes after a night takeoff in poor weather. All four crew members and 26 passengers were killed.

2. 31 December 1970; Pakistan International Airlines F27; East Pakistan: The aircraft lost altitude and impacted about 300 feet (90 meters) short of the runway. Seven of the 31 passengers were killed.

3. 8 December 1972; Pakistan International Airlines F27; near Jalot, Pakistan: The aircraft struck high ground during a flight under deteriorating weather conditions. All five crew members and 28 passengers were killed.

4. 26 November 1979; Pakistan International Airlines 707-300; near Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: A fire developed in the rear of the passenger cabin about 18 minutes after takeoff. During the emergency air turn back, the crew was incapacitated by smoke and fumes and the aircraft crashed about 87 miles (140 km) from the airport. The source of the fire was not determined, but the most probable source was the ignition of fuel from a portable stove carried by a passenger. All 11 crew members and 145 passengers were killed.

5. 23 October 1986; Pakistan International Airlines F27; near Peshawar, Pakistan: The aircraft struck the ground about 2.5 miles (4 km) short of the runway during a night approach. Six of the seven crew members and 7 of the 47 passengers were killed.

6. 25 August 1989; Pakistan International Airlines F27; near Jalot, Pakistan: The aircraft was reported missing after a flight through mountain valleys and poor weather. All five crew members and 49 passengers were presumed killed.

7. 28 September 1992; Pakistan International Airlines A300B4; near Katmandu, Nepal: The crew was flying the aircraft was flying an approach about 1300 feet (400 meters) lower than planned when the aircraft collided with high ground. The event happened in daylight and with cloud shrouding the mountains. All 12 crew and 155 passengers were killed

8. 10 July 2006; Pakistan International Airlines F27; Multan, Pakistan: Shortly after takeoff from Multan Airport on a scheduled domestic flight to Lahore, the aircraft reportedly experienced engine problems. The aircraft lost altitude, struck a power line and crashed in a field near the airport. All four crew members and 41 passengers were killed.
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