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Old April 14th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #501
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This was Lion Air's newest plane, it was delivered on the 20 March so it didn't last a month. It's going to be interesting to know about the cause of the accident, since new planes just don't fall out of the sky like this.

And this is not going to be good for their already shaky reputation, hopefully it won't have an impact on the intercontinental ambitions of some other Indonesian carriers. It would be a big problem for Garuda if their permission to fly to the EU is withdrawn again.
Lion Air couldn't care less about Indonesia safety record. It can circumvent the ban and open up intercontinental routes through its Malaysian subsidiary, Malindo Air.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 02:45 PM   #502
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Lion Air is a terrrible airline.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #503
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Sadly, that is the truth
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Old April 15th, 2013, 03:56 AM   #504
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Lion Air aircraft had yet to touchdown on runway



The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Archipelago | Sat, April 13 2013, 9:15 PM


In good condition?: Lion Air Boeing 737-800 aircraft, which serves the Bandung-Denpasar route, crashed and fell into waters as it tried to land at Ngurah Rai International Airport on Saturday. No casualties were reported but dozens sustained injuries. (JP/Zul T.Edoardo)
Lion Air general affairs director Edward Sirait said that Lion Air Flight number JT-960, which serves the Bandung-Denpasar route, had not touched down on the runway of Ngurah Rai International Airport before it fell into waters in an accident on Saturday.
“When it tried to land at the airport, the aircraft was not able to reach the runway due to the incident,” he said in a press conference at the Lion Air office on Saturday evening.
The aircraft, with registration number PK-LKS, carried 101 passengers, comprising 95 adult passengers, 5 children and a baby. Seven crew members were on board. All passengers and crew members were safe.
“No lives were loss in the accident. The evacuation process was jointly conducted by the crew members and the passengers,” said Edward.
After being evacuated, the passengers were taken to the emergency post at the airport. Eighteen passengers were taken to Sanglah Hospital and other hospitals to undergo medical examinations.
Edward said the Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft had just been received by the airline in March. He added the aircraft was piloted by Ghozali, whom he claimed to have had more than 10,000 flying hours.
Edward said that Lion Air management was not yet able to answer questions in regards to the cause of the accident. “It would be wrong for us to answer the question,” he went on. He also said that he was not yet informed on the chronology of the accident.
“About the weather, data we received said that there was rainfall. But we are still waiting for information on this matter from the meteorology [Meteorology, Climatology, and Geophysics] agency,” Edward said as quoted by tempo.co. (nai/ebf)
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Old April 29th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #505
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A National Air 747 civilian cargo plane crashed in Bagram, Afghanistan.


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Crash: National Air Cargo B744 at Bagram on Apr 29th 2013, lost height shortly after takeoff

A National Air Cargo Boeing 747-400 freighter on behalf of US Mobility Command, registration N949CA performing cargo flight N8-102 from Bagram (Afghanistan) to Dubai Al Maktoum (United Arab Emirates) with 8 crew, has crashed shortly after takeoff from Bagram Air Base's runway 03 at 15:30L (11:00Z) and erupted into flames near the end of the runway with the perimeter of the Air Base. All 8 crew are reported perished in the crash.
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https://twitter.com/RAM4REZ/status/3...108481/photo/1


The Taliban claimed that it had shot down the plane but that is denied by the US Military.


The plane in better days.

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National Airlines (N8) - Boeing 747-400(BCF) - N949CA - Lori - John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) - September 21, 2011 1 211 RT CRP by TVL1970, on Flickr
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Old April 29th, 2013, 09:34 PM   #506
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7 dead according to this report...
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Old April 29th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #507
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RIP the Flight Crew...
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #508
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And a (shocking) video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518
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Old April 30th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #509
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That's a crazy video, the plane just stops mid air and drops to the ground.


It does look very much like the initial given cause, a load shift is the reason for this crash. The cargo consisted of 5 military vehicles, they are heavy enough that if one of them breaks free during the take-of and starts to shift the change of balance of the plane can take it down. Even when there's nothing mechanically wrong with the plane or if it's flown by the most experienced pilots.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 08:04 PM   #510
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That's a crazy video, the plane just stops mid air and drops to the ground.


It does look very much like the initial given cause, a load shift is the reason for this crash. The cargo consisted of 5 military vehicles, they are heavy enough that if one of them breaks free during the take-of and starts to shift the change of balance of the plane can take it down. Even when there's nothing mechanically wrong with the plane or if it's flown by the most experienced pilots.
That pretty much sums it up. Amazing that they got the wings level (if indeed that was pilot control movements) from such a steep bank. Reminds me of that C-2 crash on you tube from 1970, load shift was the cause of that:

The comments make incredible reading too. Worth reading them all...

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It looks like the link is broken. Here is another one. http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6540...p_dashcam.html
R.I.P. to the 7 crewman that died in this tragic accident.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 01:25 AM   #512
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OMG!

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Old May 1st, 2013, 04:34 AM   #513
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bad stall !!! R.I.P. to the victims of this crash
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Old May 1st, 2013, 12:47 PM   #514
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Sickening to watch.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 12:51 PM   #515
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Old May 1st, 2013, 02:03 PM   #516
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Is this Overload Cargo?
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i'm curious though about that landing gear... it seems it was never raised when, if you follow the standard checklist, it's usually one of the first things to be looked at after the takeoff roll ("...positive rate, gear up...")...

makes me think something has already happened right after (maybe even before) rotation...

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The repetition of the accident C-2 Greyhound

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Old May 1st, 2013, 03:28 PM   #519
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i'm curious though about that landing gear... it seems it was never raised when, if you follow the standard checklist, it's usually one of the first things to be looked at after the takeoff roll ("...positive rate, gear up...")...

makes me think something has already happened right after (maybe even before) rotation...

I think the landing gear was raised but lowered again in an attempt to regain control.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 02:44 AM   #520
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Damn, all they needed was 2000 m more of altitude to recover.
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