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Old November 8th, 2013, 12:20 PM   #681
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I tell FACTS. This was an emergency in anyone's book and, BY FAA GUIDELINES, would have led to an EMERGENCY LANDING had it been discovered in flight. Also no one, except you and the other fondamentalist fanboi, are disputing the fact that this aircraft is problematic, to say the least. I'm not interested in any brand vs. brand argument, looks like you are though. So I have news for you, you have it overdone so much so that even people at Boeing wouldn't suscribe your round-the-clock rants. Because, ehm, you look like a fool. Really.
Why would I say "the 787 has 99 problems" if I thought that the 787 doesn't have too much problems?

And why is it so hard to understand that not every incident, even if it would require an emergency landing is a huge safety issue? The majority of emergency landings turn out to be non events, the low number of big accidents only show this. Taking it serious is looking at every incident objectively and judging it for it seriousness based on the actual situation. In this case the panel fell off during the landing, not at full speed in full flight.

And if it's not about company A or B why do you insist that Boeing was at fault here and not Air India? The evidence does point very directly at a maintenance error, all the other problems with the 787 won't change that.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #682
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another crash in Indonesia

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13 die as Indonesian army helicopter crashes in jungle
Jakarta (AFP) - Thirteen people died when an Indonesian army helicopter carrying construction workers to build a military outpost crashed in the jungles of Borneo Saturday and burst into flames, an official said.

The helicopter was carrying eight crew, 13 construction workers and materials when it appeared to suffer engine trouble and fell to earth.

The Russian-made, Mi-17 aircraft was completely burnt out following the accident in a remote part of Malinau district, North Kalimantan province, said military spokesman Iskandar Sitompul.

It was just the latest deadly aircraft accident in the sprawling Indonesian archipelago, which relies heavily on air transport to link its many islands but has one of Asia's poorest aviation safety records.

"Thirteen people died in the crash while the rest suffered burn injuries," Sitompul told AFP.

"There was engine trouble and the helicopter lost power," he said, adding that it "fell with a thump this morning and a fire started".

An army spokesman, Rukman Ahmad, confirmed a crash had taken place: "An Mi-17 helicopter was involved in an accident near outpost Bulan. It was carrying construction workers to build the outpost."

Eight of those who died were civilian construction workers, while five others were crew members, who were military personnel, said Sitompul.

The military had started evacuating the survivors, he added.

The area near the Malaysian border is so remote it can only be reached by helicopter, an AFP reporter on Borneo said.

Borneo is a vast, biodiverse island shared between Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei, covered in lush jungle and home to rare animals such as orangutans.

The military spokesman Sitompul said early indications suggested that engine problems had caused the helicopter to crash although he stressed it was still unclear exactly what happened.

There have been numerous fatal crashes over the years in Indonesia and some have involved military aircraft.

In 2009, four people were killed after an Indonesian navy aircraft crashed into a swamp on Borneo.

Earlier that year, at least 101 people died when an Indonesian military transport plane carrying soldiers and their families crashed into homes and erupted in flames.

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Old November 17th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #683
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i just read in the news that 44 people dead as Boeing crashed while landing in Kazan, Russia
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Old November 17th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #684
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Old November 17th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #685
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http://rt.com/news/passenger-plane-crash-kazan-866/
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Old November 17th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #686
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52 died, 46 pax and 6 cabin crew ((( it was an evening flight from Moscow DME to Kazan. RIP....
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Old November 17th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #687
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RIP... For 21st century, these accidents still happen quite often in Russia and ex-soviet countries Something wrong there.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #688
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Video of Tatarstan Airlines 737-500 crash in Kazan, it was a vertical falling. 17.11.2013

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Old November 18th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #689
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O.M.G. R.I.P to all the victims of this tragic crash
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Old November 19th, 2013, 08:43 AM   #690
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I saw this bird a few times when I was in Kazan. Very sad, rip to those involved.
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Old November 19th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #691
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The Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), a body authorised to investigate civil air incidents in the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) comprising former Soviet countries, said that its preliminarily findings were that the crash was caused by pilot error.

It said that the plane lost speed in a steep climb then over-compensated, which sent it into a near-vertical dive.

The committee said that the two pilots failed to make a proper landing approach on the first attempt and then began a second run.

"Finding out that their attitude was not appropriate for landing, the crew started a go-around manoeuvre... After the airspeed dropped to 125 knots, the crew started a pushover manoeuvre using the steering column, which caused the plane to stop climbing and dive, with its instrument airspeed rising," the committee's report said.

The report drew its conclusions from data retrieved from one of the plane's on-board recorders, correspondents say, and the climb and subsequent plunge lasted only about one minute.

The plane struck the ground at about 450 km/h hour (280 mph), the report said.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25005211
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Old November 19th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #692
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Crashed 737 pushed into dive during go-around

Initial flight-data recorder analysis indicates that the pilots of the Tatarstan Boeing 737-500 which crashed at Kazan pushed the aircraft into a steep dive after the jet pitched up during a go-around.

Russia’s Interstate Aviation Committee states that the crew engaged go-around thrust after assessing the aircraft’s position relative to the runway. The autopilot was disconnected and the aircraft flown manually.

As the engines increased power the crew retracted the 737’s flaps from the 30° position to 15°. But the thrust from the underwing engines pitched the aircraft nose-up, and it climbed at a pitch of 25°.

This led the airspeed to bleed away from 150kt to 125kt, says the inquiry.

The pilots, after retracting the landing-gear, countered the climb and the loss of airspeed by pushing the control column forward – pushing the aircraft into a dive at a height of just 700m (2,300ft).


Investigators point out that the aircraft did not exceed its angle-of-attack limit, indicating that there was no stall.

During the “intense” dive the aircraft reached 75° pitch down, says the inquiry, and it slammed into the ground at over 240kt just 45s after initiating the missed approach.

Both CFM International CFM56 engines were functioning until the moment of impact, and there is no immediate indication of system failure.

While the flight-data recorder has generated detailed information the cockpit-voice recording mechanism was found to be missing after its container was opened. Investigators are conducting a search for the device.

The inquiry has not established whether somatogravic illusion might have played a role in the night-time accident.

Somatogravic illusion occurs when the brain, in the absence of visual references, misinterprets the sensations caused by rapid acceleration, during a climb, as excessive pitch. This can cause pilots to react with sharp nose-down input, enough to push the aircraft into a dive at low altitude.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 02:36 PM   #693
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Oops! Boeing cargo jet lands at wrong Wichita airport

Atlas Air cargo plane lands at wrong airport
Jabara Airport is about 12 miles from McConnell Air Force BaseJabara has no control tower and a much shorter runway
The FAA is investigating

Help, I've landed and I can't take off.
A Boeing Dreamlifter landed at the wrong airport in Wichita, Kansas -- one with a runway apparently too short for the mammoth cargo plane to take off from again.
The Atlas Air 747 Dreamlifter is a beast of a plane. It's a modified 747-400 passenger airplane that can haul more cargo by volume than any airplane in the world.
In fact, it's a plane that carries major assembly parts for other big planes, such as parts for the 787 Dreamliner from suppliers around the world to its assembly plant in Washington.
Late Wednesday night, the plane, which was bound for McConnell Air Force Base from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, missed its mark by about 12 miles.
It ended up at the much at the much-smaller Jabara Airport on Wichita's northeast side.
Jabara has no control tower and normally doesn't handle jumbo jets.
There was no damage to aircraft or airport, according to the City of Wichita which runs the airport.
But there was a hitch: When fully loaded, the Dreamlifter needs a runway 9,199 feet long to take off, reports affiliate KWCH. The Jabara runway is 6,101 feet.
What to do? What to do?
Boeing sent a tug to the airport to move the jet. But, said the affiliate, it broke down on its way.
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 02:35 PM   #694
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Oops! Boeing cargo jet lands at wrong Wichita airport

Atlas Air cargo plane lands at wrong airport
Jabara Airport is about 12 miles from McConnell Air Force BaseJabara has no control tower and a much shorter runway
The FAA is investigating

Help, I've landed and I can't take off.
A Boeing Dreamlifter landed at the wrong airport in Wichita, Kansas -- one with a runway apparently too short for the mammoth cargo plane to take off from again.
The Atlas Air 747 Dreamlifter is a beast of a plane. It's a modified 747-400 passenger airplane that can haul more cargo by volume than any airplane in the world.
In fact, it's a plane that carries major assembly parts for other big planes, such as parts for the 787 Dreamliner from suppliers around the world to its assembly plant in Washington.
Late Wednesday night, the plane, which was bound for McConnell Air Force Base from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, missed its mark by about 12 miles.
It ended up at the much at the much-smaller Jabara Airport on Wichita's northeast side.
Jabara has no control tower and normally doesn't handle jumbo jets.
There was no damage to aircraft or airport, according to the City of Wichita which runs the airport.
But there was a hitch: When fully loaded, the Dreamlifter needs a runway 9,199 feet long to take off, reports affiliate KWCH. The Jabara runway is 6,101 feet.
What to do? What to do?
Boeing sent a tug to the airport to move the jet. But, said the affiliate, it broke down on its way.
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is it still there??? or left that airport????
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 05:37 AM   #695
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The aircraft departed Jabara on Thursday:

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Old November 29th, 2013, 03:32 PM   #696
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Incident: Ural A320 at Moscow on Nov 28th 2013, runway excursion and pirouette on landing (The Aviation Herald)

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Old November 30th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #697
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in "Reuters"


Mozambique Airlines plane crashes in Namibia, killing all 34 on board


A Mozambique Airlines plane en route to Angola crashed in a game park in northeast Namibia killing all 34 people on board, a Namibian police official said on Saturday.


Namibian Police Force Deputy Commissioner Willy Bampton told Reuters the burned out wreckage of the aircraft, which went missing on Friday, was found in the Bwabwata National Park, near the borders with Angola and Botswana.


"The plane has been completely burnt to ashes and there are no survivors," Bampton said.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 07:35 PM   #698
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Glasgow helicopter crash: Eight dead at Clutha pub

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Eight people are now confirmed to have died after a police helicopter crashed into a busy pub in Glasgow city centre.

Three people inside the helicopter and five people inside The Clutha were killed after the Police Scotland aircraft came down at 22:30 on Friday.

A further 14 people are being treated for "very serious injuries" in hospitals across the city.

A major investigation is under way and the Air Accidents Investigations Branch will conduct an inquiry into the crash.

It is thought that about 120 people were in the pub at the time of the crash.

Many were rescued or escaped but others were trapped by a collapse on the left-hand side of the building.

The three occupants of the helicopter who died were two police officers and a civilian pilot.

scene of crash
The emergency services remain involved in a "search and recovery" operation
A significant number of personnel from Police Scotland, The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and Scottish Ambulance Service are still at the scene.

Police Scotland Chief Constable Sir Stephen House told a news conference on Saturday afternoon that they would remain there for some time.

Strange to walk through Argyle Street to the scene and see so many people doing their Christmas shopping just a few hundred yards from the scene.

The King Street car park next to the scene is full of cars, and buses are passing just 100 yards from the cordon.

There is no debris on our side of the cordon - it's hard to believe what has happened just a few yards away.

We can see the blue and green tarpaulins on top of the roof of the pub, but there is no activity on that roof.

On our side of the cordons, a pack of around 40 journalists and photographers are taking statements from eyewitnesses and waiting for news.

He said: "This is a complex and ongoing rescue operation. It will not be a quick operation. It is a very complicated and indeed dangerous scene."

Chief Constable House said the operation would go on "for many days yet".

He paid tribute to the emergency service personnel who were working at the scene and the people of Glasgow who disregarded their own personal safety to help survivors in the aftermath of the crash.

Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told the same news conference that the increased death toll from the crash was "news that everybody today has been both dreading and expecting".

"Our hearts go out to everyone who has been bereaved. It is impossible to imagine the grief and loss that they are experiencing," she said.

"They should know that the thoughts and prayers of everyone across the city, and indeed across Scotland, are with them at this unimaginably difficult time.

Ms Sturgeon also praised the courage and fortitude of the emergency services and people of Glasgow in the aftermath of the crash.

She added: "I think we were all moved last night by the way in which those who were in and around the scene did everything possible to help and the outpouring of concern and kindness today, I'm sure, will be a comfort to those affected."
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Horrible news. I was in central Glasgow today and seen the sight. Very sobering. RIP.
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