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Old March 9th, 2014, 05:09 AM   #801
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Here's what I don't get: where did it actually crash? Two conflicting reports still keep me thinking...

- If the aircraft disappeared 40 minutes after departure, the flight would've been over South China Sea close to Malaysia and Thailand.

- If the aircraft disappeared nearly 90 minutes after departure (as many more reports say), then it would be closer to Vietnam, and that the aircraft would've crashed close to one of the smaller islands in the southern extremity of the nation.

I wonder if any other pilots doing their regular red-eye flights notice anything interesting with that flight since it may be likely that other pilots might have seen it, especially during the overnight hours, many flights operate long regional flights (e.g. Thai Airways, Malaysia, Singapore Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana, Air China, etc) from Southeast Asia to Northeast Asia.
The incident site should at least start at where transponder contact was lost, that's where Flightradar24 website has reported, because the area has great ADB-S transponder coverage so any aircraft suddenly disappear from it is a good indication that something went wrong. I believe some people have calculated that based on flight tracks at that moment the closest aircraft is some 86nm away, it'll be pretty difficult to spot the fireball if there is any.

I do think the initial response is rather slow though, maritime SAR should have been activated sooner, not waiting until the aircraft's 7 hour fuel reserve has run out. The lack of any findings could be caused by insufficient SAR assets in the region. The good thing is that the world has awaken to accept the fact that this is now a recovery operation and any able hand is needed. In addition to the neighbor countries the US is now sending an Orion and a Burke DDG, and China has sent three maritime law enforcement vessels plus a frigate and a LPD. I certainly hope once all those assets are in place we should get a location within the next couple of days.
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Highly unlikely. A mid air explosion would have created a huge debris field which would have been easily detectable. That plane hit the water in one piece.
The debris could have scattered quite a lot or sunk altogether before the morning came. Besides, the search and rescue operation was only up for about 12-16 hours so far over a large area.

But if we do assume the aircraft was intact until the crash itself, the only possible explanation as to why the flight data transmission suddenly stopped was that someone disengaged the avionics, which by itself doesn't rule out foul play, considering the crew was very inconspicuous.

As to motives - perhaps it was a rather choppy project in support of Xinjiang, perhaps it was a politically motivated sabotage or a downright yet ridiculously overcomplicated assassination of someone important onboard.

I know those are all extremely speculative but the next most likely cause is a meteor strike or accidental shot down - which are as theoretically possible as a flying saucer landing in front of the White House.
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Old March 9th, 2014, 06:48 AM   #803
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The motive would be a very difficult question to address at this very moment because there can be so many reasons for why this disappearance happened. I believe that recovering the aircraft and the bodies will need to be done first before anything else can be established so that we can determine:

• where the plane actually landed
• how the plane ended up in the water
• if there are any survivors left in the crash
• whether any lifeboats were deployed
• where the black boxes are to be sent to Washington for analysis
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Old March 9th, 2014, 08:59 AM   #804
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if the lifeboats were deployed, they'd be found by now. They all have radio beacons, flashlights and survival kits and they'd be found possibly the same night.

Whatever happened gave them no chance to float them.
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Old March 9th, 2014, 09:03 AM   #805
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And the blackboxes should be pinging too, with that many ship now in the area that should have been heard by now. I'd say chances are the blackboxes have sustained damages beyond its designed limits, the attached beacon may be completely destroyed.
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BREAKING: Malaysian air force chief says radar indicates missing Boeing 777 may have turned back
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That would be deeply worrying if the latter indeed happened... no mayday or distress calls, no lifeboats, nothing at all... (gulp) I wonder if this is similar to what happened to AF447.

@nawa if the B772 turned back, then we wonder where it actually went since it lost contact nearly two hours into its 5.5-hour trek north.
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Old March 9th, 2014, 09:36 AM   #808
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That would be deeply worrying if the latter indeed happened... no mayday or distress calls, no lifeboats, nothing at all... (gulp) I wonder if this is similar to what happened to AF447.

This whole thing is now a mystery and until the aircraft or black box is found, there will be this confusion. So lets hope they can actually locate it.

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@nawa if the B772 turned back, then we wonder where it actually went since it lost contact nearly two hours into its 5.5-hour trek north
Don't forget there is still a dispute about the actual time it lost contact.... Report suggests MH370 disappeared from radar after 40 minutes and not 2 hours as media has been reporting
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MH370 Passenger Manifest

The Wall Street Journal has published The names of everyone on board MH370.

I'm not sure if it is a good idea to publish it here.
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Old March 9th, 2014, 10:27 AM   #810
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That would be deeply worrying if the latter indeed happened... no mayday or distress calls, no lifeboats, nothing at all... (gulp) I wonder if this is similar to what happened to AF447.

@nawa if the B772 turned back, then we wonder where it actually went since it lost contact nearly two hours into its 5.5-hour trek north.
I believe what they meant is that the last radar track recorded a change in heading of the aircraft, this could be in an emergency the crew has attempted to return the aircraft to land but ultimately failed. Maybe they were still too busy trying to regain control of the aircraft to make a mayday call or squawk a 7700. Also it has been established that the aircraft lost contact 40 minutes into the flight, not 2 hours, the latter is when KL ATC notified the airline about the missing situation.
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Old March 9th, 2014, 10:46 AM   #811
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Oil slicks spotted 20nm from MH370’s last contact point, debris pictures go viral
The Malaysian Insider | Latest Update: March 09, 2014 03:32 pm
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...-contact-point

A Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) plane has spotted oil slicks about 20 nautical miles south of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370’s last point of contact.

Director-general of MMEA Datuk Mohd Amdan Kurish, who joined in the search for the missing plane, said, his search team spotted "two or three" patches of oil slick measuring about 16km and were yellowish in colour at about 11am today.

"A ship has been dispatched to the location of the slick to take samples so we could test whether the oil is from a plane," Amdan was quoted as saying by The Star newsportal.

(Meanwhile)


A photo of debris supposedly taken by a Chinese passenger on board another MAS flight from Beijing to Kuala Lumpur. – Photo courtesy of South China Morning Post.


Photographs purporting to show debris in the sea in the area where the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 lost contact have been posted on Chinese social media.

The pictures, supposedly taken by a Chinese passenger on board another MAS flight from Beijing which landed safely in Kuala Lumpur this morning, shows what appears to be fragmented debris floating on waters about 90 minutes out to sea from the Malaysian capital.

The passenger, whose profile information says he is a banker working for China Minsheng Bank in Beijing, wrote that he took the pictures from his window at a height of 11,000 metres, at about 6.45am today.

Li Jiaxiang, administrator of the Civil Aviation Administration of China, said at a press briefing today morning that some debris had been spotted, but it was unclear whether it came from the plane.

While it is not immediately clear what the suspected debris consist of, the area where the passenger said he spotted it appeared to be roughly consistent with where the missing plane lost contact with aviation authorities and where ships from Malaysia and Vietnam were already searching since yesterday afternoon, reported South China Morning Post.

None of the reported possible sightings so far have been confirmed to be from the Boeing 777-200 which vanished early yesterday morning. – March 9, 2013.



An aerial view of an oil spill is seen from a Vietnamese Air Force aircraft in the search area for the missing MH370 plane, 250 kilometres from Vietnam and 190 kilometres from Malaysia today. – Reuters pic.
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That would be deeply worrying if the latter indeed happened... no mayday or distress calls, no lifeboats, nothing at all... (gulp) I wonder if this is similar to what happened to AF447.

@nawa if the B772 turned back, then we wonder where it actually went since it lost contact nearly two hours into its 5.5-hour trek north.
The outcome looks similar but the same cause is impossible. I don't recall 777s ever having issues with pitot tubes and certainly not after AF447.

The weather was not supportive to icing and even if it was, the captain with such experience could easily recognise a stall and recover.
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Oil spill...




Another Boeing 777 bound for Narita, Japan flew 30mins earlier than MH370 has confirmed that it had a contact with MH370.


Pilot: I established contact with plane
The New Straits Times | March 9, 2014
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'INTERFERENCE': Pilot in another plane was flying 30 minutes ahead of MH370

SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.

The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.

"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.

"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.

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Old March 9th, 2014, 01:09 PM   #815
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China's Uyghur muslim seperatists, they are eastern turks with Caucasian looks.
To me uughurs have a very stepp-ish look about them. Much harder to pass them off as central/south Europeans than, say, arabs. But maybe it's still hard for your average Malaysian immigration officer?

While the plane was full of Chinese it still seems weird they'd choose a Malaysian flight. Though I did read somewhere that Malaysia Airlines have a partnership with a Chinese company on that very route, maybe it was just a mixup?
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Australia to join search efforts for missing MH370
Astro Awani | Updated: March 09, 2014


KUALA LUMPUR: Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said he received a telephone call from his Australian counterpart, Tony Abbott who expressed his country’s wish to help in the MH370 search operations.

He said the Australian government agreed to deploy two of its maritime surveillance aircrafts named PC3-Orion.

"The Australian prime minister expressed his sympathies and had agreed to deploy two of its P-3C Orion aircrafts equipped with radar censors to aid in search operations,’ he told reporters at the 2014 National Reconciliation Programme on Sunday.


With the search and rescue operation areas expanded, Najib said the additional assets are timely and much needed.

He also said the government is aware of the distress faced by the family members of passengers and crew on the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) plane which dropped off the radar over 30 hours ago.

Six Australians were among 239 people on board the missing MH370 flight.


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Singapore sends more aircraft, vessels to search for missing MAS plane
Bernama | Updated: March 09, 2014

SINGAPORE: The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) has deployed additional assets to assist in the search-and-locate (SAL) operation for a missing Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines (MAS) plane.

These include two other Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) C-130 aircraft, a Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN) Formidable-class frigate (RSS Steadfast), with a Sikorsky S-70B naval helicopter on board, a submarine support and rescue vessel with divers on board as well as a Missile Corvette (RSS Vigour).

The first RSAF C-130 deployed Saturday returned to Singapore Saturday night, the Ministry of Defence said in a statement Sunday.

It said the additional assets were sent after Minister for Defence Ng Eng Hen offered them to his Malaysian counterpart, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein, on Saturday.

MAS Flight MH370, carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew, went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing about an hour after taking off from the KL International Airport in Sepang at 12.41 am Saturday.

It should have landed in Beijing at 6.30 am.


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To me uughurs have a very stepp-ish look about them. Much harder to pass them off as central/south Europeans than, say, arabs. But maybe it's still hard for your average Malaysian immigration officer?



Although majority of the uyghurs are mixed race people (euroasians), still some of uyghurs look exactly like southern europeans, say southern italians or greeks. Some (small percentage of them) even have germanic people's features like blond hair and blue eyes.
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Sunday, March 09, 02:43 PM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - 8th Media Statement

Statement by MAS GCEO, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya

Together with all those affected by the MH370 incident, we understand the need to provide regular updates on the progress of the search and rescue operations. As the hours turn into days, we at Malaysia Airlines are similarly anxious and we appreciate the patience, support and prayers from everyone.

We however acknowledge that the most affected group in this incident is the families of those on-board. As such, our primary focus at this point in time is to care for the families. This means providing them with timely information, travel facilities, accommodation, meals and emotional support. Initial financial assistance has been given out to all families. Caregivers are already assigned to each family and they are trained staff and volunteers from Malaysia and Australia.

Family members of the MH370 passengers from Beijing who wish to travel will be flown in stages to Kuala Lumpur on the available flights. We are also communicating with the families from other nations to similarly arrange for their travel to Kuala Lumpur.

In the event flight MH370 is located, a Response Control Centre (RCC) in the area will be activated to support the needs of families.

The airline continues to work with the authorities and we appreciate the help we are receiving from all parties during this critical and difficult time.

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Floating object found near reported MH370 crash site

Vietnam has just ordered a helicopter and a coast guard ship to rush to the area near the reported crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 where a Singapore search plane had detected an unidentified floating object on Sunday afternoon.





Singapore authorities told Vietnamese rescuers at 2:40 pm that their search airplane had found a suspected object floating 100km south-southwest of Vietnam’s Tho Chu Island, according to Tuoi Tre newspaper which has had reporters accompany rescuers.
The Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 has been reported to crash 53 nautical miles (275km) off the island, which is located 85 nautical miles (153km) off Ca Mau – Vietnam’s southernmost province.


A Vietnamese Mi 171 helicopter has been deployed to the area to identify the object, Tuoi Tre said.
Lieutenant General Vo Van Tuan, a Vietnamese military official who is following Vietnam’s search for the plane from a national rescue committee, has directed the CSB 2003 coast guard ship to speed up toward the object’s whereabouts.
CSB 2003 is expected to approach the location at 5:30 pm Vietnam time Sunday (1030 am GMT Sunday).


Tuan also suggested sending a seaplane from the Cam Ranh base in the central province of Khanh Hoa and an aircraft from Tan Son Nhat International Airport in Ho Chi Minh City to the site of the floating object.
Vietnam and other Asian countries have mobilized many ships, choppers, and aircraft to conduct a search and rescue mission in an attempt to find the Malaysia Airlines jetliner that has gone missing since early Saturday.
The plane was carrying 239 people, including 227 passengers and 12 crew members.
Neither plane wreckage nor casualties have been reported so far.
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