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Old April 21st, 2014, 02:28 AM   #1081
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A Comp Air 8 has crashed in Finland, killing 7 parachutists while 3 managed to jump out of the plane. There might be still people missing.



Apparently there was an engine defect.

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Old April 23rd, 2014, 03:32 AM   #1082
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What was about MH370 search? It seems that people forgot of it no? Everyday lesser, I dont hear anything since many days back in the news... Now hard to find it without the black boxes pings i think...
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 09:17 AM   #1083
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conspiracies ... theories ... news ... breaking news ... fake news ... rumors ... every thing we had about this missing MH 370. They spent some hundred million dollars in search and are going to spend more .... even they sent Bluefin-21 robotic sub to find the black box which they say will reveal the exact reasons for the mishap ... but we had no luck as this sub also brings nothing about the missing plane ... so question is does it really crashed in sea??? if it is .... the location they are searching is really the one??? it seems govt.s are blindly pouring dollars into the search without the trust worthy info ... god bless the world ...

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Old April 23rd, 2014, 02:39 PM   #1084
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How can an enormous state-of-the-art 300 million $ B777 just vanish in the air like that, with no sign for nearly two months now ?

It's really funny that it still happens in an era where almost every smartphone, tablet and electronic device can be track down by GPS and telecommunications network , with a precision of less than 10 meters accuracy.

Why not just buy the underly advertised Tile lost and found GPS device for 19.95$ and stick it on the plane to track in real time on an iPhone "Find my Boeing" app where the f*** it is - instead of putting millions of dollars worth on it of useless equipment .

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Old April 24th, 2014, 12:17 AM   #1085
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GPS can't track down anything. It's a one way system that has satellites that transmit signals that can be picked up by mobile devices to pinpoint an exact location. Your smart phone or any GPS receiver doesn't transmit any signal back to the satellites.

And even though most communication systems where turned off there were still some signals picked up by telecommunication satellites that brought the search to the southern part of the Indian Ocean. Which is very large and very deep, they need to find the haystack before they can find the needle.

And if it now lying on the bottom of the ocean there would be no way that any satellite would pick anything up. The pings from the black boxes could only be picked up by very sensitive special equipment. And even with that equipment they could not accurately locate the wreckage, simply because the ocean is too deep. The pressure of the water and the ocean floor will distort any signal which is send from those depths.

It's not a unrealistic assumption that we will never find this plane again.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 09:13 AM   #1086
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How can an enormous state-of-the-art 300 million $ B777 just vanish in the air like that, with no sign for nearly two months now ?

It's really funny that it still happens in an era where almost every smartphone, tablet and electronic device can be track down by GPS and telecommunications network , with a precision of less than 10 meters accuracy.

Why not just buy the underly advertised Tile lost and found GPS device for 19.95$ and stick it on the plane to track in real time on an iPhone "Find my Boeing" app where the f*** it is - instead of putting millions of dollars worth on it of useless equipment .
Agreed! Even if the civilian technology fails, surely the militaries in the region should have been on top of it!
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Old April 24th, 2014, 01:11 PM   #1087
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GPS can't track down anything. It's a one way system that has satellites that transmit signals that can be picked up by mobile devices to pinpoint an exact location. Your smart phone or any GPS receiver doesn't transmit any signal back to the satellites.
Yes, I know that, my last sentence was a joke .
Though, as I said upper, smart phones and co. uses telecommunications networking to transmit GPS positions to other devices. Planes would use satellite telecommunications to transmit their positions, as their is no land network over the oceans and in many remote areas.
Moreover, a GPS receiver + satellite transmitting device with antennas, shouldn't be bigger than a shoe box, making it relatively easy to install on any commercial aircraft.

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And even though most communication systems where turned off there were still some signals picked up by telecommunication satellites that brought the search to the southern part of the Indian Ocean. Which is very large and very deep, they need to find the haystack before they can find the needle.
That is why it is important that this system should be independent from any internal interferences (per ex. crew, fire, etc.). Optimistically, it may work by its own power supply (per ex. batteries with solar charging, or very long lasting). Furthermore, it look stubbing that a pilot, or any person in the cockpit can unplug black boxes, TCAS, ACARS, etc. - All being vital components.


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And if it now lying on the bottom of the ocean there would be no way that any satellite would pick anything up. The pings from the black boxes could only be picked up by very sensitive special equipment. And even with that equipment they could not accurately locate the wreckage, simply because the ocean is too deep. The pressure of the water and the ocean floor will distort any signal which is send from those depths.

It's not a unrealistic assumption that we will never find this plane again.
Today, any transportation or logistic firm can track its own fleet via GPS and GSM; know in real time fuel level and consumption, speed, exact position, problems with vehicles, but also thanks to live HDD recording, follow the history of all these parameters, as per example, position 2 hours ago, last tanking, etc.
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for passengers airplanes, and mostly, that it still isn't used in 2014 .

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Old April 25th, 2014, 11:15 AM   #1088
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BREAKING NEWS: Virgin Blue passenger plane 'hijacked' and forced to land at Bali airport

A Virgin Australia plane was forced to land at Bali airport today after a suspected hijacking, Indonesian officials said today.

The Virgin Boeing 737-800 plane had flown from Brisbane in Australia.

A passenger, who was reportedly drunk, tried to enter the cockpit and take over the plane, police told Indonesian TV.

An Indonesian air force spokesman told the BBC that troops had boarded the plane.

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Old April 25th, 2014, 01:15 PM   #1089
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Drunken passenger causes hijack scare in Bali

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A drunken passenger who caused a hijack scare on a Virgin Australia flight by trying to break into the cockpit was arrested Friday after the plane landed on Indonesia's resort island of Bali, officials said.

The airport was closed for nearly two hours because of the incident, forcing several flights to be diverted, director general for air transport Herry Bakti Gumay told Metro TV.

The Australian passenger acted aggressively and began pounding on the cockpit door before being handcuffed by the crew, Heru Sudjatmiko, airport manager for Virgin Australia, told the station. The passenger was arrested for creating a disturbance, he said.

"There was no hijacking at all," he said. "It was only a miscommunication."

A hijack alert had been issued by the pilot about one hour before the plane landed, Indonesia air force spokesman Hadi Tjahjanto said.

The Boeing 737 was carrying 139 passengers and six crew members from Brisbane, Australia, to Bali, which is a leading tourist destination for Australians.

"The aircraft landed safely and at no point was the safety of passengers in question," an airline spokeswoman said in Australia.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 04:46 AM   #1090
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FAA, NTSB Probe Whether 2 Planes Were Too Close At Newark Airport
Sources: Express Jet Was Taking Off, While United 737 Was Landing

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There was new information Friday night about a possible near miss at Newark Liberty International Airport.

The National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration were investigating a close call between a jet taking off and one that was landing.

The planes apparently were way too close for comfort on Thursday, within a half-mile, when they should have been at least two miles apart, sources told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

Kramer asked former NTSB investigator Al Yurman just how serious the situation was.

“Yes, it’s dangerous, because a move by any of the aircraft off their flight path could have ended up in a mid-air collision,” Yurman said.

An Express Jet Airlines flight en route to Memphis was taking off from runway 4-R, while a United Boeing 737 from San Francisco was landing, Kramer reported.

The planes lost something called “visual separation,” prompting air traffic controllers to order United Flight 1243 to change its flight pattern, telling the 737: “1243, go around. Traffic off to your left departing.”

Sources told Kramer the United flight did not circle the airport or go around as ordered and instead landed. While in contact with the tower the pilot admitted it was a close call.

“We’re putting the nose down and yeah he was real close. Yeah, he was real close, sir,” the pilot said.

How far apart should the jets have been?

“The separation of two different type of aircraft is two miles separation,” Yurman said.

Passengers, however, were taking the incident in stride.

“It seems to happen more frequently lately, but if I have to fly I’ll fly. It still is supposedly the safest way to travel and I’m an optimist,” said Herrat Sommerhoff of Rivervale, N.J.

“It’s still pretty safe. No one got hurt,” added Bailey Book of Seymour, Conn.

“That happens a lot. I like to travel. It doesn’t bother me. There is risk in anything you do, taking trains, taking planes,” said Stephanie Snipes of Allentown, Pa.

“It is concerning, yes. I hope they investigate it to find out the routes,” added Jenny Mustazza of West New York, N.J.

There was no immediate word when the NTSB and the FAA would complete their investigations, and whether it will turn out to be pilot error or a mistake by air traffic controllers, Kramer reported.

The NTSB said a preliminary report on the incident could be issued next week.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 03:24 PM   #1091
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Aircraft Bound for Oslo Lands in Sweden Amid Bomb Threat

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A Norwegian Air Shuttle flight bound for Norway from Denmark was forced to land at Göteborg Landvetter Airport in Sweden following a bomb threat. Police said a passenger was arrested and 94 passengers and six crew were evacuated. Swedish police said the 94 passengers were evacuated from the aircraft in buses
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Old April 28th, 2014, 06:30 AM   #1092
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2 PLANES COLLIDE OVER NORTHERN SAN FRANCISCO BAY

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RICHMOND, Calif. (AP) — The Coast Guard searched for a pilot in the northern part of San Francisco Bay on Sunday after two small planes collided over the water and only one of the aircraft landed safely, authorities said.

Debris was spotted in San Pablo Bay after the 4:05 p.m. collision near the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge, Petty Officer Loumania Stewart said.

The collision involved a single-engine Cessna 210 and a single-engine Hawker Sea Fury TMK 20, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said. Each aircraft had one person on board.

The Cessna crashed into the water and the pilot of the Hawker was able to land safely at Eagle's Nest Airport in the small Northern California city of Ione, Gregor said. The pilot was reportedly uninjured.

Gregor said both planes took off from Half Moon Bay Airport, roughly 20 miles south of San Francisco.

FAA records indicate the Hawker is registered to Sanders Aeronautics Inc. in Ione. A man who answered the phone at the company's listed number declined to comment.

Sanders Aeronautics' website said the family-run company specializes in aircraft restoration and that its family members are avid air racers.

A Coast Guard cutter, three rescue boats and a helicopter were involved in the search, Stewart said.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 08:17 AM   #1093
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MH370: New phase to include private contractors, may cost $60 million


By Kevin Liptak and Faith Karimi, CNN

April 28, 2014 -- Updated 0442 GMT (1242 HKT)


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Obama talks U.S./Malaysia ties and MH370


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NEW: New phase will take about six to eight months
NEW: Authorities will be suspending aerial searches
Bluefin-21 starts its 15th mission to search for missing plane's remains
Sunday air and sea search suspended because of weather



(CNN) -- The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane will be entering a new phase that will use private contractors and may cost about $60 million, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Monday.

"I regret to say that thus far none of our efforts in the air, on the surface or under sea, have found any wreckage," he said.

The new phase will focus on searching the ocean floor over a much larger area -- 60,000 square kilometers, a process that will take about six to eight months.


An autonomous underwater vehicle is brought back aboard the Australian ship Ocean Shield after a search mission for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 in the southern Indian Ocean on Saturday, April 19. Searchers are combing thousands of square miles of the ocean for signs of Flight 370, which disappeared March 8.

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Words of praise

Malaysia's government has been widely criticized over its handling of the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 and disclosures of its investigations. But on Sunday, U.S. President Barack Obama had words of praise during a visit to the southeast Asian country.

He said the Malaysian government has been "forthcoming" with the United States about the information it has.

"The Malaysian government is working tirelessly to recover the aircraft and investigate exactly what happened," Obama told reporters. He reiterated that the United States would continue to aid in the search and offered condolences to loved ones of those lost.

Narrowed search nears end

Obama's visit came as the initial search by the Bluefin-21 neared its end.

The submersible, which is on contract to the U.S. Navy, had been scouring the ocean floor for traces of the plane.

Previously, another device, a towed pinger locator, detected signals that officials believed were from the jet's flight recorders, which determined the current search area for the Bluefin.

The plane disappeared on March 8 after leaving Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, for Beijing.

Preliminary report
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has said a preliminary report on the plane's disappearance will be available to the public next week.

He also asked an internal investigation team to look into what other information may be released publicly next week, his office said.

The report has been sent to the International Civil Aviation Organization, the U.N. body for global aviation, but not yet made available to the public.

The U.N. organization said among the safety recommendations in the report is a suggestion by Malaysia that the aviation world needs to look at real-time tracking of commercial aircraft.

It's the same recommendation that was made after Air France Flight 447 went down in the Atlantic Ocean in 2009.

"Anytime there is a tragedy like this, we ought to also reflect on what can be done going forward to prevent something similar from happening again," Obama said.

"That discussion has begun in Malaysia and around the world, and we'll see what improvements might be recommended to continue improving aviation security. One thing is already clear, however, is that large international efforts like this search operation benefit from existing partnerships among nations."


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Planes can't land at Manila because of Obama, planes are holding over.


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The search for the missing MH370 is set to enter into a new with the widening of underwater hunt for the aircraft's debris, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has announced. Since the search efforts began, the Australia-led teams have scoured over 4.5 million square kilometres of ocean floor, with no results.

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Old April 29th, 2014, 04:33 PM   #1096
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I just found this, as another advertisement on this forum ; simply tap "tooway.co.uk": "common, simple, broad consumer" hi-speed satellite internet solution from only 19.99£ per month.
It seems like for a few pounds, millions in search and recovery could be saved .

Besides, a few years ago, search and rescue team found - thanks to relatives that used the "Find my iPhone" app to locate - the wreckage of a lost military aircraft in Chile; a simple mean that became obviously more useful than million of dollars military and civilian "old technologies" still in use today, but of course, it was near land...if only iPhone's were able to transmit data by satellite .
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East Midlands Airport closed after Air Contractors 737 EI-STD suffered left gear collapse c.0140z

There she is! EI-STD! The 737-400 which is currently blocking the runway at East Midlands!



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Plane engine catches fire after take-off from Perth Airport

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A plane was forced to return to Perth Airport on Tuesday after a fire broke out in one of its engines just moments into the flight.

Passengers have described seeing flames and smoke coming from the engine shortly after the plane took off at 10:30am (AWST).

About 90 fly-in, fly-out (FIFO) workers heading to Barrow Island were on board the Cobham Aviation aircraft.

The plane managed to turn around and land safely. An investigation is underway into how the engine caught fire.

Cobham Aviation Services said the four-engine BAE 146 jet returned to Perth Airport at 10:53am (AWST).

It said the aircraft was climbing after take-off when the fire occurred in engine number two on the inner port side of the plane.

"When the fire was detected, the engine was shut down and the fire extinguished," a statement from Cobham read.

It added there were no injuries among the 92 passengers, two pilots and three cabin crew.

Passenger Jason Grimmett said the incident happened about 10 minutes after the plane took off.

"I was sitting right next to the engine, it looks like something blew outside the engine," he said.

"Fuel started spewing out, caught alight - there was a bit of panic on board but the pilots were quite quick to react and cut fuel lines and then put it out.

"So we just turned around and came back in."

Mr Grimmett said most passengers remained calm as the four-engine plane returned to the terminal.

"There was a couple of guys that were panicking quite bad but we've still got three other engines, so unless something major goes wrong - [it was] just a bit of fuel caught alight."

Kewdale resident Craig Ablett witnessed the incident from the ground.

"I saw this plane fly over and I noticed one of the engines was on fire," he said.

"It had more or less just taken off.

"It's not every day you see a plane with its engine on fire flying over you.

"The flames coming out of the engine would have been 10, 20 metres long."

Another man said he arrived at the airport in a taxi just as the plane landed back on the ground.

"There was flames coming out of the left-hand side of the engine," he said.

"I've never seen anything like it in my life. It was actually quite frightening."


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FAA says it's gradually lifting ground stops on Southern California airports after technical issues at air traffic control center - NBCNews
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GeoResonance survey company says "wreckage of a commercial airliner" found



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