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Old July 18th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #1241
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Is it true? The body of russian plane and mh almost similiar, so the ucraine think they found their target
From a simple Google search.

Russian Presidential Aircraft:


Malaysian Airways 777-200 (Reg 9M-MRO) [Presently Missing Hull]


However, this is what the Malaysian 777s look like from ground level:


If people are looking at this path, they are barking down the wrong alley way as the 4 engines and 2 engines are all very different, even to the naked eye from 38,000ft if I'm going to extremes.

I pray for all the desist and their families. I just hope who was responsible is held accountable.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #1242
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U.S. President Barack Obama says pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine receive "steady flow" of arms and training from Russia.

U.S.: RUSSIA IMPLICATED

MH17: 'Russia may have aided with missile system'

Obama says MH17 shot down and an "outrage"

U.S. believes MH17 likely downed by SA-11 missile fired by pro-Russian rebels


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Old July 18th, 2014, 07:15 PM   #1243
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Old July 18th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #1244
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Rebels got missile from Russia, U.S. intelligence believes

CNN's Barbara Starr is getting more from her sources in the intelligence community -- a community that now is going on the "working theory" that the Russian military supplied a Buk surface-to-air missile system to pro-Russian rebels, according to a senior defense official.

The official would not discuss the specific intelligence that is leading to this assessment.

U.S. intelligence and military analysts are also scrutinizing video apparently showing a Buk system being driven back across the Russian border after Thursday's crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, the official said.

Source: http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Ma...t_17/121955706
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Interesting: "...video apparently showing a Buk system being driven back across the Russian borde...r"
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Old July 18th, 2014, 11:09 PM   #1245
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All passenger nationalities are known now:

Netherlands 192
Malaysia 44
Australia 27
Indonesia 12
UK 9
Belgium 4
Germany 4
Phillipines 3
Canada 1
USA 1
New-Zealand 1

The passengerlist has been leaked. And of course Dutch Geenstijl website was one of the first to post it:
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/ima...sengerlist.pdf
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Old July 19th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #1246
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I'm really starting to think NATO is to blame. All international flights were diverted even other MH17 flights until 2 days ago. Why is there no coverage of this?
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Old July 19th, 2014, 02:30 AM   #1247
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What has NATO to do with this? Planes were just flying there normally as well. Some airliners already diverted a long time ago, others didn't to keep down costs.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 02:36 AM   #1248
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830 aircraft belonging to 65 airlines flew over the same area near Donetsk where MH17 was shot down over the past 7 days.
Original article in Norwegian.



Personal note: considering the data comes from FlightRadar24, it only includes a/c equipped with ADS-B transponders. This surely covers most of the a/c, but not all, so the actual number is very likely to be a bit higher.

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What has NATO to do with this?
Nothing, of course. He made it up and dropped a one-liner on a forum. Great achievement. I started digging through FR24 archives and NOTAMs again to explain things, but I dropped it because I realized it would be a waste of time and I have similar experience with other air disasters. Some people don't care to inform themselves and will always believe what they want to believe.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 03:13 AM   #1249
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MAS5002 heading towards Ukraine.
Brining in relatives?




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Yes, heading to Kiev:

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Old July 19th, 2014, 03:33 AM   #1250
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MAS5002 heading towards Ukraine.
Brining in relatives?
MAS staff and Malaysian officials. Not sure about the relatives.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 03:59 AM   #1251
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The propaganda once again is astounding. There are zero verifiable facts and obviously the current Ukrainian administration should be completely ignored (people should be aware of who those people are and what they are capable of). If in a months time it turns out that the current Ukrainian administration were somehow involved like with the snipers it will be too late for the public's perception of the truth. There is only one side that is benefiting right now, and its not the east, so people need tred carefully and take a step back and wait until everything cools down and real facts start to emerge in a few months time. There is literally zero evidence beyond some propaganda that is 100% unverifiable beyond a he said she said they said he said type of thing or that unauthenticated conversation and few second clip of who knows who or who knows when or who knows where, released by none other than the untrustable Ukrainian administration.

As for the plane, obviously the airspace should have been shut down given what has been happening over the past few weeks.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 06:07 AM   #1252
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Official Death Toll: 298, including 3 infants and 15 crew members

Netherlands: 189
Malaysia: 44 - including all of 15 crew
Australia: 28
Indonesia: 12
United Kingdom: 10
Germany: 4
Belgium: 4
Philippines: 3
USA: 1
Canada: 1
New Zealand: 1
Ireland: 1

Source, Pictures, Recaps, Read More Here >>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ple-board.html

Malaysia Airlines has 14 flights weekly, between the two cities Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 07:26 AM   #1253
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I just read that a Singapore Airlines Airbus A380 flying from Copenhagen to Singapore was one of the closest planes to the Malaysia Airlines 777-200ER that got shot down. In short, we came very close to a far worse tragedy.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 08:15 AM   #1254
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It's a disgrace that the crash site is still off limits for international observers.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-mh17-removed

Personally I don't think that the black boxes are going to add more useful intel. I hope that the person or persons who decided to pull the trigger will come forward and surrender themselves to the authorities. I cannot image that someone who knows that he has just murdered hundreds of innocent men,wormen and childeren can live with himself.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 08:44 AM   #1255
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I don't think anyone will turn himself in. They have been kidnapping and torturing civilians for months, therefore I don't think the hardliners care. Others won't like to serve a life sentence but will continue to fight.
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Osce monitors finally made it to the main crash side of #mh17 to find out there's not much to monitor
https://twitter.com/shelomovskiy/sta...50414291406848
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