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Old July 24th, 2014, 01:00 PM   #1341
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Air Algerie flight with over 100 on board missing from ATC

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Old July 24th, 2014, 01:02 PM   #1342
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Old July 24th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #1343
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BREAKING: Air Algerie Flight AH 5017 Disappears From Radar While Flying over Mali

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An Air Algerie flight travelling from Burkina Faso to Algiers has disappeared from the radar, apparently while flying above the Malian airspace.

The aircraft, believed to be an MD-83 passenger jet, lost contact 50 minutes after the takeoff.

"Air navigation services have lost contact with an Air Algerie plane Thursday flying from Ouagadougou to Algiers, 50 minutes after takeoff," the airline said, Algeria's APS the news agency said.

Air Algerie has put in place an "emergency plan," the agency reported.

Spanish airline Swiftair was said to be operating the flight chartered by Air Algerie. Swiftair has confirmed there were 110 passengers and six crew members aboard the aircraft.

Flight AH 5017 was not visible on Flightradar24, a live-tracking website for all the planes, since it is out of coverage area, said the service.

The AH 5017 is said to be the only flight in this route.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #1344
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What the hell is going on?
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Old July 24th, 2014, 02:11 PM   #1345
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Conflicting information, I've heard reports the aircraft was an A320. Regardless, I hope the aircraft has landed safely
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Old July 24th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #1346
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confirm crash

Reports: Air Algerie plane crashes
Reuters | Today, 12:27
ALGIERS – It is being reported that an Air Algerie plane with 100 passengers and six crew members on board has crashed in Niamey, Niger.
Reports indicate that Spanish airline, Swiftair, was operating the missing MD83 flight for Air Algerie.
Air Algerie had lost contact with the aircraft nearly an hour after takeoff from Burkina Faso.
The airline says air navigation services were unable to trace the plane which was flying from Ouagadougou Burkina Faso to Algiers.
The news comes exactly a week after Malaysian airlines flight MH317 was shot down over eastern Ukraine.
Yesterday, 48 people were killed when a Transasia Airways plane crash landed while attempting to land in Taiwan.



http://ewn.co.za/2014/07/24/Reports-...-plane-crashes
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Old July 24th, 2014, 03:21 PM   #1347
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What the f*** is going on? Suddenly I'm all nervous about flying long haul next week
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Old July 24th, 2014, 03:38 PM   #1348
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Anxious Times for Airline Passengers Worldwide ...
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Old July 24th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #1349
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Makes you wonder what's going on...

Choose your airlines wisely, cheap airfares don't mean a thing...
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Old July 24th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #1350
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The news about the Air Algerie is still sketchy, many news refuse to confirm the crash. I hope the best for the situation.

3 billion people flew in 2013 and the numbers will increas. Despite recent incidences, statsitically the chance of flight related accidents is low. But in whatever we do everyday, the risks of injuries and death always loom in the background.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #1351
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What the f*** is going on? Suddenly I'm all nervous about flying long haul next week
Relax man, you are surely not gonna fly with an out-of-production Maddog or Russian-made noisy UFO or any other aircraft of that sort. But definitely avoid MH for a while
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Old July 24th, 2014, 07:05 PM   #1352
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Relax man, you are surely not gonna fly with an out-of-production Maddog or Russian-made noisy UFO or any other aircraft of that sort. But definitely avoid MH for a while
why want avoid MH?
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Old July 24th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #1353
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why want avoid MH?
They say lightning never strikes the same spot twice. But when it does you want to shit bricks. Same thing happened to Armavia airlines several years ago: one of their aircraft burnt down and the other one crashed into the sea. That was freaky(
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Old July 24th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #1354
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why want avoid MH?
There was nothing wrong with the aircraft or the pilots of MH17 for sure. It faced something which has been witnessed only few times so far when it comes to such aviation incidents. However, in such a short time two major disasters for MH....would be surely silly to think that MH is somehow cursed or something...but still, if it was me, I would definitely not fly them for a while just to be extra careful.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #1355
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This sucks. The MD-80 is my favorite aircraft to fly on, wonder what the hell happened.

I always hear/read that these plane crashes happen in three's...I was really hoping it won't be so after MH17.

I feel so comfortable flying I just can't imagine going through one of these air tragedies.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 11:45 PM   #1356
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This sucks. The MD-80 is my favorite aircraft to fly on, wonder what the hell happened.

I always hear/read that these plane crashes happen in three's...I was really hoping it won't be so after MH17.

I feel so comfortable flying I just can't imagine going through one of these air tragedies.
You are more likely to die on the way to the airport. Just here in the UK 2000 people a year die on the roads but it hardly makes the news.

The entire reason air crashes are news is because they are so rare.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 02:20 AM   #1357
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Not sure if this was already discussed as I did not read the thread and I am not so versed in aviation. Therefore I have an inquiry on you guys.

Would you happen to know how the flightaware.com tracks the planes? Does it get the full path or only some check points which it connects to make the whole track.

I am interested in this topic because of the flight MH17 as I encountered claims that flightaware.com changed the track of the flights previous to the 17 july recently and when I looked at it, it would suggest so.

I have series of print screens of MH17 flight paths from previous days made on 17 July (I did not make them, I downloaded them today from the net) which correspond to the print screens from 19 July published e.g. here: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...t-hostilities/ but they don't correspond to the past flight paths presented at the flightware.com at the moment. This would suggest that the flight paths were changed recently at flightware.com.

Is this normal? How precise is flightware.com? What could induce such a change?

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Relax man, you are surely not gonna fly with an out-of-production Maddog or Russian-made noisy UFO or any other aircraft of that sort. But definitely avoid MH for a while
Well you never know! When it's your destiny then it doesn't matter much who you fly with
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Old July 25th, 2014, 02:47 AM   #1359
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Not sure if this was already discussed as I did not read the thread and I am not so versed in aviation. Therefore I have an inquiry on you guys.

Would you happen to know how the flightaware.com tracks the planes? Does it get the full path or only some check points which it connects to make the whole track.

I am interested in this topic because of the flight MH17 as I encountered claims that flightaware.com changed the track of the flights previous to the 17 july recently and when I looked at it, it would suggest so.

I have series of print screens of MH17 flight paths from previous days made on 17 July (I did not make them, I downloaded them today from the net) which correspond to the print screens from 19 July published e.g. here: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...t-hostilities/ but they don't correspond to the past flight paths presented at the flightware.com at the moment. This would suggest that the flight paths were changed recently at flightware.com.

Is this normal? How precise is flightware.com? What could induce such a change?

Thx.
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We know from the Air India crew that they heard the Ukrainian controller give MH17 a direct to clearance. This is done when traffic and procedures permit a shortcut and it's done more and more.

Not long before the crash, MH17 was handed of from Kyiv ACC to Dnipropetrovsk ACC and we know they were flying on airway L980. I don't know when MH17 received the direct to clearance, but I suspect it happened shortly after it got handed over to Dnipropetrovsk, most likely shortly after passing waypoint PEKIT, which means that the clearance was to waypoint TAMAK, as that is on the border and meant another handoff, this time from Ukrainian ATC to Russian ATC (Dnipropetrovsk ACC > Rostov ACC).

This slight and completely routine deviation is mentioned by the Russian MoD. A controller on the other side of the border would have probably been unaware of the shortcut because a) they'd be paying attention to their own aircraft, not those in a neighbouring FIR and b) it's unlikely that they'd have the airways in Ukrainian airspace superimposed on their screens, since that would clutter their screens and have marginal utility. Even the recording shows only the airways on the Russian side. MH17 would've reached TAMAK point a little bit sooner, get handed over to a controller in Rostov and cleared along its route in Russian airspace. Who knows, maybe receiving a new direct to clearance.

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I can't access the thread where this post is quoted from as I was banned on DLM (I guess it is placed at DLM). Further it doesn't seem to be addressing my question.

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This would suggest that the flight paths were changed recently at flightware.com.

Is this normal? How precise is flightware.com? What could induce such a change?


Thx.


If you have the feeling that it explains my question, please could you explain it to me? Thank you.
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