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Old March 28th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #1561
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The depressed pilot Andreas Lubitz caused the death of all the 150 people onboard the Germanwings flight. No one survived. Same thing with the MH17 & 370 and the AF447. The lives and deaths of those passengers were in the hands of the flight crew.
I find it quite alarming that you manage to compare the crash of MH17 with the Germanwings crash, since both accidents have completely different causes. Insinuating that the lives of the passengers of flight MH17 are lost due to the flight crew, is like saying some train driver is responsible when the perfectly safe bridge he drives on suddenly collapses, drowning all passengers to their deaths. In both cases, the flight/train crew are unable to prevent it from happening.

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If a bus falls into a cliff, it's not going to be at 700km/h. A bus passenger has the possibility to brake the window with an emergency hammer, this is nothing you can do with a window of a plane.
Oh you meant they died when they crashed? Oh yeah, because when a bus falls into a cliff everyone's gonna be alive in that bus after it's fallen in.
I bet you didn't know bus passengers can stand much more than airplane passengers do keoki. Oh no... actually they don't This crash in Brazil, leaving 54 dead, has only happened two weeks ago. Another crash in Peru, four days ago, led to the death of 36 people.

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Your are a 100% in control of your car.
Exactly that is the reason why air travel is so incredibly safe. Unlike computers, human beings make mistakes. Certainly good education decreases the risk of making a mistake, but you cannot rule it out entirely. In fact, 90% of all car accidents are (mainly) caused by human failure. According to the Dutch Civil Aviation Authority only 46% of all crashes in aviation are caused by human failure. In stressful situations, computers just perform better than humans do.

One of my teachers at university once told me how to put safety into more concrete terms. Safety is the result of the risk to get involved into an accident times the consequences it has (injuries). In formula form:

Safety = risk * consequences

Even though the consequences of being in an airplane crash may be higher than in a car accident, the risk of getting involved is much, much smaller. And I am perfectly fine with that.
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Old March 29th, 2015, 10:46 AM   #1562
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Air Canada flight leaves runway in Halifax, 25 sent to hospital
Federal investigators called in to probe 'hard landing'

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An Air Canada flight from Toronto to Halifax left the runway as it landed at the Halifax Stanfield International Airport early Sunday morning, sending 25 people to hospital with injuries that are not considered life-threatening.

Flight AC624 "took a very hard landing and skidded off the runway" at approximately 12:35 a.m. AT said Peter Spurway, a spokesman for the Halifax Stanfield International Airport.

"Right now, we have some minor injuries. Nothing that is deemed to be life-threatening," he said.

There were 132 passengers and five crew members on board. Officials originally said only 16 people were injured in the incident.

Spurway said the incident was not a crash because it is believed the plane was under control as it came in. He said there's no indication what caused the hard landing and he did not know the condition of the plane.

The airport is closed and will remain closed until at least 9 a.m. AT, said Spurway, adding that the plane will need to be removed from the airfield before flights can resume.

Electricity was out at the airport at the time of the incident, and remained off for at least an hour after. Nova Scotia Power, the local utility, tweeted at 2:12 a.m. AT that power had been restored.

"We're not sure if the two incidents are related," said Spurway. Federal investigators have been called, he said.

Passenger Randy Hall said the plane was circling the airport for at least 30 minutes waiting for a good time to land. As the plane was coming down, there was "a big flash," he said.
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Old March 29th, 2015, 10:48 AM   #1563
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The aircraft in question is an A320-200, with registration C-FTJP.


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Old March 29th, 2015, 10:52 AM   #1564
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All right. I noticed that there was quite a flurry of heated debates on this thread, some of which were irrelevant to the topics on hand... so I deleted them to avoid spreading trouble.
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Old March 29th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #1565
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Daytime pictures of the Air Canada A320.



Right side view of aircraft, daytime by TSBCanada, on Flickr


Front & right side view of aircraft, daytime by TSBCanada, on Flickr


see the engine in the background.


Left side view of aircraft, daytime by TSBCanada, on Flickr


It's believed that the plane hit power lines on approach resulting in landing short of the runway before skidding onto the tarmac. Luckily for the passengers the plane didn't caught fire or break up, otherwise this accident could have turned into a disaster. The plane write off of course, this is too much damage to repair.
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Old March 30th, 2015, 12:06 AM   #1566
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Reminds me of the Asiana 214 crash landing - thankfully nobody died!
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Old March 31st, 2015, 09:22 AM   #1567
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Not a very good year for aviation
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Old March 31st, 2015, 01:42 PM   #1568
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Last year's malaysian airlines mh370 was suspected to be a case of rouge pilot suicide. pathetic that the 2 crew in cockpit rule was not introduced in eu then RIP
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Old March 31st, 2015, 03:07 PM   #1569
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Last year's malaysian airlines mh370 was suspected to be a case of rouge pilot suicide. pathetic that the 2 crew in cockpit rule was not introduced in eu then RIP
Aer you sure you aren't talking about the French crash?
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Old March 31st, 2015, 04:49 PM   #1570
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Last year's malaysian airlines mh370 was suspected to be a case of rouge pilot suicide. pathetic that the 2 crew in cockpit rule was not introduced in eu then RIP
Suspected but never proven. It's just one of how many theories.
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Old March 31st, 2015, 11:59 PM   #1571
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Safety = risk * consequences
I think the formula you were trying to quote is:

risk = chance * consequences (aka impact)
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Old April 1st, 2015, 03:30 PM   #1572
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A bomb threat was called for a Turkish Airlines flight this morning, with destination to Lisbon. The plane had then to go back to Istanbul. Flight number TK1759

Source (in portuguese): http://expresso.sapo.pt/aviao-turco-...e-boma=f918032
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Old April 1st, 2015, 09:26 PM   #1573
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If I am correct it allready the third one (threat to Turkish Airlines) this week I heard of..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ed-toilet.html

http://national.bgnnews.com/bomb-sca...ht-haberi/4700
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Old April 10th, 2015, 04:25 AM   #1574
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Malaysian 370 will be founded??

It is true or not!!!

Check this video!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...deadline-looms

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Old April 10th, 2015, 06:42 AM   #1575
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It is true or not!!!

Check this video!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...deadline-looms

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I think it's just click bait ,it looks too much like a script.
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Old April 10th, 2015, 06:19 PM   #1576
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The link itself is not bait or anything, it legitimately links to bloomberg.com
However, the 'title' that was added is complete bullshit
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Old April 14th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #1577
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Hmmm ... I dont thing we ever got a story like this.

Alaska Airlines flight makes emergency landing near Seattle.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobil...t/1782632.html

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON: A Los Angeles-bound Alaska Airlines flight made an emergency landing at a Seattle-area airport on Monday (Apr 13) afternoon after it took off with a worker trapped in a cargo area under the cabin, where he had fallen asleep, the US carrier said in a statement.
The pilot of Alaska Airlines flight 448 reported hearing banging from beneath the aircraft after takeoff from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, south of Seattle, the statement said.
When the aircraft returned after being in the air for 14 minutes, a ramp agent was found inside the pressurized and temperature-controlled front cargo hold, the statement said.
After exiting, the Menzies Aviation employee told authorities he had fallen asleep, Alaska Airlines said in a statement.
"The ramp agent appeared OK, and was transported to the hospital as a precaution," the airline said on its website. "We are actively investigating the matter."
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Old April 14th, 2015, 09:37 AM   #1578
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...what's there to investigate? He fell asleep
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Old April 14th, 2015, 07:18 PM   #1579
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An Asiana A320 skids off the runway at Hiroshima Airport. Twenty with minor injuries.

http://news.yahoo.com/reports-plane-...131754698.html
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Two very similar incidents from Asiana, I no longer have faith in the competency of their pilots and will be crossing that airline from my list of potential carriers to consider for any travel.

Thank goodness no one was killed at least!
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