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Old October 31st, 2015, 01:08 PM   #1641
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A Russian plane has crashed in Egypt.

http://news.sky.com/story/1579327/ru...hes-over-egypt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-34687309
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Old October 31st, 2015, 06:40 PM   #1642
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and all onboard died. So what was the reason ?

-Pilot error
-Airplane Malfunction
-Terrorists
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Old October 31st, 2015, 06:55 PM   #1643
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and all onboard died. So what was the reason ?

-Pilot error
-Airplane Malfunction
-Terrorists
ISIS claimed to be responsible, however it has been ruled out (source http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/31/mintrans/ )

From initial reports, looks more like "Airplane Malfunction" as,
a) pilots from previous flight complained about engine issues on this plane
b) poor maintenance record of for this airline (it had 3 major incidents in last few years)!
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Old October 31st, 2015, 08:27 PM   #1644
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I think is way too soon to know what happen, we will have to wait for the report...
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Old October 31st, 2015, 08:32 PM   #1645
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Old October 31st, 2015, 09:38 PM   #1646
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Old November 1st, 2015, 12:35 AM   #1647
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Egyptian Government is now refuting their earlier claim of a mayday and divert notification being received, CAA has also backtracked from its earlier absolute denial of attack. While indeed above the ceiling of hand held ground to air weapons it was in a military closed zone where there was militant activity and the local powers Egypt and Israel do have AA batteries in the area.

Most likely however would be mechanical fault based on issues with the planes engines being reported for a week before the crash, Russia has now opened a criminal case against the airline.

The thing I have trouble reconciling however is the speed drop from 400kn to 60kn in a matter of seconds, 6000ft per minute rate of descent and it looking like it broke in two before impact with heavy fire damage in the tail section.
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Old November 1st, 2015, 12:41 AM   #1648
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Old November 1st, 2015, 10:38 AM   #1649
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The thing I have trouble reconciling however is the speed drop from 400kn to 60kn in a matter of seconds, 6000ft per minute rate of descent and it looking like it broke in two before impact with heavy fire damage in the tail section.
It's rare that both engines shut down at the same time, even if they do the plane could still glide for while. Losing altitude quickly is more likely to happen if the fuselage is damaged, malfunctioning computer input (remember AF447) or pilot error due to disorientation, remember egyptian charter flight flash air 604 crash in 2004 which also was a flight from Sharm El Sheikh.

Earlier news reports in Egypt, citing officials, said the pilot had radioed that he was having technical difficulties and wanted to make an emergency landing.

The plane was operated by Kogalymavia, which is privately owned and flies planes under the name Metrojet. There was nothing remarkable about the airline’s safety record, though the fuel tank on one of its planes exploded before departure from the Siberian city of Surgut in 2011, and the ensuing fire killed three people.

Exploding fuel tank, could be. I'm thinking about the TWA 800 disaster in 1996.

The debree at the crash site was spread out in a 5km wide wreckage field, which means that
the plane broke apart in mid air at high speed.


Air France and Lufthansa said Saturday that they would avoid flying over the Sinai Peninsula as a precaution until further notice. Lufthansa said this would involve rerouting flights to six destinations.

Obviously the plane wasnt shot down, the plane was out of reach for missiles at 31.000 feet.

The plane was flying at 31,000 feet when it suddenly began to descend. The general range of the shoulder-fired missiles, commonly known as Manpads, that have been used against Egyptian military helicopters in the region is much lower, around 20,000 feet.

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Old November 1st, 2015, 06:58 PM   #1650
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Russian Government now confirming it broke up in mid air though still blaming mechanical fault, debris field now said to be 20km long not 5km.

Egyptian government had already withdrawn their claim of a mayday and divert notification having been made yesterday.

This particular plane was 18 years old and had previously suffered catastrophic tail damage a decade ago due to a ground incident.

A possible theory explaining the breakup is it was an old fashioned bomb (and what a world we live in where placing a bomb on a plane is considered old fashioned compared to shooting it down).

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Old November 1st, 2015, 07:45 PM   #1651
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IMHO Considering the size of the debris field, the flight data avaliable and the old tail damage I would bet my money on explosive decompression originated from the previously suffered damage to the tail...
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 11:21 AM   #1652
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IMHO Considering the size of the debris field, the flight data avaliable and the old tail damage I would bet my money on explosive decompression originated from the previously suffered damage to the tail...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 02:11 PM   #1653
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I'll bet against the tail strike and aft bulkhead failure as a cause. Something bad that was brought on board caused it.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 02:17 PM   #1654
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All the involved parties are claiming the only explanation is one that favours their agenda and minimises reputational damage.

Egptians saying it must be a technical fault and cant be internal or external terroism.
Airline saying it must be an external impact and cant be maintenance failure, internal force or pilot error.
Russians saying it cant be a human action or external impact and must be a internal mechanical or decompressive failure possibly maintenence related.
Airbus saying it cant be a technical or mechanical fault and must be a decompressive structural failure caused by human action, either pilot or passenger.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 03:49 PM   #1655
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It will be investigated by Egypt and Ireland together. The plane was registered in Ireland
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 08:02 AM   #1656
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Russian plane broke mid-air before crash, says expert!!





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Old November 3rd, 2015, 09:51 AM   #1657
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Russian plane broke mid-air before crash, says expert!!
Funny how _you _ went off and found pictures of a crash on the ground for us so.

Read.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20121229-0

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Old November 3rd, 2015, 10:57 AM   #1658
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 05:21 PM   #1659
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10 injured as Shaheen Air flight crash lands





LAHORE: At least 10 passengers were injured as the tyre of a domestic Shaheen Air International flight burst during an emergency landing at Allama Iqbal International Airport on Tuesday.

The Karachi-Lahore flight NL-142 was carrying more than a hundred passengers, airport sources say. Shaheen Airlines flies four flights from Karachi to Lahore daily.

The injured were provided with immediate medical treatment. None are said to be in critical condition.






Full report: http://www.dawn.com/news/1217193
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Old November 4th, 2015, 11:10 AM   #1660
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A Russian made cargo plane has crashed in southern Sudan.

http://news.sky.com/story/1581438/pl...-sudan-airport
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