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Old April 12th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #161
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The plane encircled the airfield 3 times to do recon and to set proper course on runway. Then attempted landing. 1 km from runway it hit the radiolocation antenna mast (20-50 meters tall, that's not clear yet), lost stability, hit the subsequent trees and crashed 200 meters from the runway edge. Final conclusion of the speaker - "all they needed was 10-15 meters of altitude more".
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Old April 12th, 2010, 02:20 PM   #162
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so weather? pilot error? both?

apparently investigators said they found nothing wrong with the plane after examining the flight recorders.
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Old April 12th, 2010, 02:40 PM   #163
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It's not "the main course". The fleet replacement subject comes back like a boomerang for many years, this is just another ocassion. Technical issues are not considered as very probable cause - neither by officials nor by journalists.
Yes i agree there were talks before, but i meant to say that NOW they discuss it, the replacement, what for? Why fleet replacement is discussed now, its not the right moment i think, so i think its not that simple what they mean.

Well i wouldnt continue, i am not trying to make a scandal here. Its a Mourning Day today in Russia too, so lets just remember all killed people and hope for better.
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Old April 12th, 2010, 10:33 PM   #164
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Well, if it's any consolation for you, they started talking about replacing the Romanian presidential aircraft (Boeing 707) too.

There's nothing wrong with replacing older aircraft with newer ones. It turns into a problem when you start blaming an aircraft's age for the crash, even when you have no info about why the crash happened.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 04:53 PM   #165
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36453582...s-asiapacific/
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JAKARTA - An Indonesian passenger plane carrying more than 100 people veered off a runway as it landed in Papua, then snapped in half as it came to rest in a nearby river, a transport ministry official said on Tuesday.

About 20 passengers and a member of the cabin crew on the Merpati Nusantara Airlines plane were injured in the accident and taken to hospital, the official said.

Several small domestic carriers serve Indonesia's sprawling archipelago and many have poor safety records.

The European Commission, which had barred all Indonesian airlines from its airspace, only last year lifted a ban on four Indonesian carriers — flag carrier Garuda Indonesia, Mandala, Airfast and Premiair — after they had improved safety standards.

The latest incident occurred when the Merpati Boeing 737-300 tried to land in Manokwari, in Papua, in the rain, said Herry Bakti, director general for air transport at the transport ministry.

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Old April 13th, 2010, 04:59 PM   #166
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Close call I guess, but I'm glad nobody died. The aircraft was a Boeing 737-300, reg. PK-MDF.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #167
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Russian-Polish analysis of crashed Tu-154's black boxes nears end

14:4913/04/2010

Russian and Polish specialists will finish on Wednesday or Thursday analyzing the data contained in the black boxes of the plane that crashed in western Russia killing the Polish president and 95 others, Polish TVN24 TV-channel reporte.

Polish investigator Zbigniew Rzepa said that the flight data and voice recorders, which have been taken to Moscow, were slightly damaged but the data had not been affected.

"They will provide good material with which to reconstruct what happened with the flight," he said.

"Based on them we will prepare material that will show what happened during the last two minutes of the flight, how the pilots controlled the plane and how the communications progressed," Rzepa said, adding that it was a time-consuming process.

"I think a final report may be issued on Wednesday or Thursday," Rzepa said.

He also said that a third black box had been found at the scene of the crash, but it had not yet been delivered to Moscow.

Moscow First Deputy Mayor Peter Biryukov said the bodies of 45 people had been identified and the city authorities expected a special plane from Poland to take the coffins home on Tuesday.

"It all depends on the cargo plane sent from Poland," Biryukov said.

Some of the relatives of the dead have already left Moscow, and the bodies of Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his wife, Maria, have been flown back to Warsaw.

The president and first lady died along with 94 other people in the plane crash near Smolensk in western Russia on Saturday morning.

The delegation of top public figures was on its way to pay tribute to some 20,000 Polish officers executed by Soviet secret police in 1940.

Poland has declared a seven-day period of national mourning.

MOSCOW, April 13 (RIA Novosti)

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Old April 13th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #168
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I am so sad with this news......I don't want this accidence happen.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #169
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Got these from the Polish AF Tu-154 Crash In Smolensk thread on Airliners.net. The plane wreck is visible in the second picture.



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Old April 14th, 2010, 03:58 AM   #170
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Indonesia plane breaks up after overshooting runway

A passenger aircraft carrying more than 100 people has crashed on landing in the Indonesian province of Papua.

At least 20 people were injured when the Boeing 737 Merpati Nusantara Airline plane veered off the end of the runway into a river and broke in half.

Officials said heavy rain may have caused the crash but that the pilots had followed safety regulations.

Indonesia relies heavily on air travel but has one of the worst aviation safety records in Asia.


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Old April 14th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #171
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American Airlines emergency landing - Boeing 767 makes emergency landing in Iceland

An American Airlines flight en route from Paris, France to Dallas, Texas has made a safe emergency landing in Iceland according to USA Today. Passengers aboard the Boeing 767 were complaining of dizziness and chemical fumes were reported in the cabin.

There were 145 people aboard the plane that landed safely at Kaflavik Airport in Iceland. Flight number 49 will be fully inspected whilst the 133 passengers and 12 crew members board a different flight, which is flying to Iceland from London to pick them up and transport them to Texas.

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WASHINGTON, April 13 (Xinhua) -- An American Airlines plane made an emergency landing in Iceland after passengers smelled fumes in the cabin, U.S. and Icelandic media reported.

"The Boeing 767-300 reported that there was some chemical fumes in the cabin. The plane ... asked for permission to land in Kelflavik when it was south of the country," reported the Icelandic national broadcaster RUV.

The airliner, which was on a flight from Paris to Dallas-Fort Worth in Texas, landed safely in Keflavik airport just after 1345 GMT, U.S. television network CNN said.

American Airlines said the plane was diverted due to a mechanical problem, CNN added.

RUV said several passangers felt dizzy before the emergency landing. Five crew members fell ill because they stayed near the kitchen.

The Icelandic broadcaster said the 133 passengers and 12 crew members have disembarked the plane and are now in the departure hall of the terminal.

The source of the fumes was being investigated. "It seems that some fumes came from the kitchen on the plane," a Red Cross staff was quoted as saying by RUV.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13249877.htm
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Old April 14th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #172
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AeroUnion A30B at Monterrey on Apr 13th 2010, lost height after takeoff and impacted highway

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An AeroUnion Airbus A-300B4-200, registration XA-TUE performing freight flight 6R-302 from Monterrey (Mexico) to Los Angeles,CA (USA) with 2 crew, lost height after takeoff from Monterrey International Airport's runway 29 and impacted ground within the airport perimeter, parts of the debris including a wing and an engine sliding onto the airport highway (parallel to runway 11/29) at around 23:30L (04:30Z Apr 14th). All on board perished, 3 people on the highway are reported killed, the airplane was destroyed. A large fire broke out.

Mexican Police has cordoned the area off.

Mexican Authorities confirmed 5 fatalities saying, that two were on the aircraft and three on the ground.

Flight TNO-302 (6R-302) had originated in Mexico City and was to fly to Los Angeles via an intermediate stop in Monterrey.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #173
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One of the oldest flying A300s. Sad to see it go. RIP.

XA-TUE on approach at LAX

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Old April 22nd, 2010, 09:57 AM   #175
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Another ancient Soviet-era cargo plane has crashed, killing three crew members.

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One of the oldest flying A300s. Sad to see it go. RIP.
A300-B4-200...a former Air Inter's Aircraft ?
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:11 PM   #177
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Air France crash 'black box site found in Atlantic'
6 May 2010

The flight recorders from an Air France plane which crashed in the Atlantic last year have been located to within a 5km zone, a French official has said.

But Gen Christian Baptiste told AFP that retrieving the boxes from the ocean floor might be impossible.

All 228 people on board the flight from Rio to Paris died in the crash.

The cause remains unknown. The plane's airspeed probes had given false readings, but officials believe other factors must also have contributed.

Finding the boxes, which record flight data and cockpit conversations, should allow investigators to finally explain the mystery of why the plane came down.

It appears the location zone has been traced using images obtained during the first phase of searching for the wreckage, when the flight recorders were still emitting a signal.

Complex operation

French government and military officials have urged caution, saying there is no guarantee the flight recorders will be found.

"It's like trying to find a shoe box in an area the size of Paris, at a depth of 3,000m (9,800ft) and in a terrain as rugged as the Alps," French navy spokesman Hugues du Plessis d'Argentre told AFP.

A fresh search was launched earlier this year involving US and Norwegian ships with sonar probes and robots, in what officials described as "one of the most complex undersea operations ever".

The area covered by the high-tech vessels will now be reduced from 1,500 sq km (580 sq miles) to just 3-5 sq km (1-2 sq miles), in a remote area far off the coast of Brazil.

Air France flight AF447 from Rio de Janeiro to Paris disappeared on 1 June 2009 in stormy weather, killing all those on board.


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Afriqiyah A332 at Tripoli on May 12th 2010

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An Afriqiyah Airways Airbus A330-200, flight 8U-771 from Johannesburg (South Africa) to Tripoli (Lybia) with 94 passengers and 11 crew, has crashed upon landing in Tripoli (Lybia) at approximately 06:00L (04:00Z). The airplane is said to have come to rest within the airport perimeter, no post impact fires occured. The airport reports 105 fatalities.

The airplane had departed Johannesburg at 21:37L (19:37Z) and was due to arrive at 06:20L (04:20Z).
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Oh crap! RIP.

So this is the second A330-200 with pax to crash.
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