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Old December 21st, 2012, 09:33 PM   #61
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@momo: you forget the MD-11, whose last exemplar was delivered to LH Cargo in (if I'm not wrong) 2001.

In topic now: I also have some misgiving about Airbus safety, at least in the recent past, since from 2010 on we haven't heard of other problems anymore (fortunately).
I especially refer to flight AF447, which wasn't an unprecedented episode with the A330 model. In fact, in 2008 flight QF72 incurred in something similar, fortunately without casualties (the a/c landed safely). Anyway, the sudden uncommanded pitch down during cruise caused a passenger severe injuries to his backbone.
On my own, I have a subjective preference for Boeing, but it's not based on an objective evaluation of the features of the two brands. I've been for years a flightsimmer and learnt IFR flight with Boeing a/c, so I've simply learnt Boeing systems better than Airbus ones (when I sometimes fly an Airbus I need the Flight Manual, when I fly a Boeing I don't ).
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 12:22 AM   #62
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OK, the production of the MD-11 continued for 3 years after it was taken over by Boeing. It even got some orders, including the 15 from Lufthansa Cargo. But it was still a MD design, produced at the MD factory in Long Beach California. It has never truly been a Boeing plane.

Talking about the MD-11, that's actually a plane with a bad safety reputation that is actually based on it's real safety record. Apparently it had some design flaws in the flight controls that have caused several accidents. Even though they had been fixed that was still one of the reasons together with the under-performing fuel economy why the plane didn't last too long in passenger service with most airlines. Only KLM is still flying the KLM in scheduled passenger services but are now phasing them out. 3 have left the fleet since July this year and according to the current schedule for summer 2013 it will only be used for the Vancouver flights.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 01:22 AM   #63
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Yep I know, you're right on this. Proof is the fact that MD11 has an his own avionic and an his own FMS that isn't Boeing-alike neither (of course) Airbus-alike.
As far as I can remember, nonetheless, the mostpart of problems with the MD heavy series was with DC-10, and the most noticeable (and deadliest) accident with MD11 was SWR111, which on the other hand was caused by added systems and not by the airplane's structure for itself.
Nonetheless, fuel efficiency is now the worst gap of this plane, and looks odd that KLM is still using it for its passenger regular service ...... even AZ phased it out since quite a lot of time, in favour of the 777-200 (which also replaced the old 747-200s in the fleet).
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 03:46 AM   #64
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 08:49 AM   #65
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Yep I know, you're right on this. Proof is the fact that MD11 has an his own avionic and an his own FMS that isn't Boeing-alike neither (of course) Airbus-alike.
As far as I can remember, nonetheless, the mostpart of problems with the MD heavy series was with DC-10, and the most noticeable (and deadliest) accident with MD11 was SWR111, which on the other hand was caused by added systems and not by the airplane's structure for itself.
Nonetheless, fuel efficiency is now the worst gap of this plane, and looks odd that KLM is still using it for its passenger regular service ...... even AZ phased it out since quite a lot of time, in favour of the 777-200 (which also replaced the old 747-200s in the fleet).
One of the reasons that is always given when people ask why KLM keeps on flying with the MD-11 is that although they are not fuel efficient they are still very cheap to operate because they have been completely paid off or have low lease prices. But the reason why KLM is now getting rid of them is because that's also changing because spare parts are becoming rare and therefore expensive.

It's actually more surprising that Delta retired them in 2004 since they are known for keeping old planes flying. They still have DC-9s in their fleet and are buying up all the MD-90s/717s that other airlines are retiring.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 09:24 AM   #66
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It's actually more surprising that Delta retired them in 2004 since they are known for keeping old planes flying. They still have DC-9s in their fleet and are buying up all the MD-90s/717s that other airlines are retiring.
Ahahah....... even AZ, who was one of the biggest worldwide operators of the MD80s, has recently phased them out and replaced with the A319/20 series, despite some financial trouble! Maybe they've sold Delta some of them?
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 10:18 AM   #67
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I just like them both.. I like the A380 very much but I also like the B737 and B787.. In my opinion Boeing has the nicest planes..
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 12:09 PM   #68
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A320, 321, 330, 380, Boeing-767, 777, 787
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 08:34 PM   #69
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Ahahah....... even AZ, who was one of the biggest worldwide operators of the MD80s, has recently phased them out and replaced with the A319/20 series, despite some financial trouble! Maybe they've sold Delta some of them?
I don't think Delta got some from Alitalia, but they did took 49 in total from JAL, SAS, China Southern and some smaller operators.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 08:41 PM   #70
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Short-haul: Embraer jets have little competition, though Canadajets are ok too.
Mediul-haul: The A320 is wider and more comfy than its Boeing 737 rivals. I can really feel the difference in width. Shame for the smaller windows.
Long-haul: It depends more on the layout and the company then the plain. I have flown B 747, B 767, A 330 and B 777 and my favourite so far is the Boieng 777.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 02:12 AM   #71
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I like both and as long as it gets you from A to B it dosn't really matter
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Old December 25th, 2012, 03:17 PM   #72
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I have no single preference.

Airbus: A340, A380
Boeing: 777, 787
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Old December 27th, 2012, 07:53 AM   #73
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B738 B787 B777 B748i
A320 A330 A346 A380
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Old December 27th, 2012, 08:07 AM   #74
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Boeing: B777-300ER B777-200LR
Airbus: A330-300, A340-600 A320
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Old December 27th, 2012, 08:25 AM   #75
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I've only been on three airplanes in my life and they were all Boeing 737's. So I dunno.
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Old December 27th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #76
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One of the most pointless threads on Skyscrapercity

I have idea for another one:

"Green or yellow? Which colour do you prefer?"
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Old December 27th, 2012, 04:43 PM   #77
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I care more on service of airline than airbus or boing.
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Old December 27th, 2012, 11:14 PM   #78
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Exactly my point!! Who cares about the boeing or airbus. Its the service which counts the most.
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Old December 28th, 2012, 02:00 AM   #79
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With more than 70+ responses I doubt this discussion is pointless...
If you don't wanna participate in the discussion...then Don't!
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Old December 28th, 2012, 02:22 AM   #80
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From a flying point of view,

Narrow body depends what airline, such a small difference you really don't notice it.

777W/L over 332/3, and 342/3/5/6 hands down. Classic 777s interiors tend to be old now.

380 over any type of 747.

787 needs 350 to enter service so we can give a proper judgement.

Won't even bother judging 757s, 767s, A300/310s cause they are old, and out of the picture.

Visual wise Boeing seems to look sleeker because they're wings are more swept than Airbus.

All in all I like all aircraft, when I travel I try to pick airframes I've never flown on before.
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