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Old August 3rd, 2015, 04:39 PM   #1981
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.....or maybe Singapore, and Airbus switched those seven orders to an up coming ultra long range version for they're future JFK service.
There are some rumors that the 7 a350's would go to Philippine Airlines as replacement for the 6 a340's which are currently leased from airbus.
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 09:04 PM   #1982
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Or maybe this was to free up slots for the already signed DL (Delta) deal?
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 10:02 PM   #1983
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There are some rumors that the 7 a350's would go to Philippine Airlines as replacement for the 6 a340's which are currently leased from airbus.
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Or maybe this was to free up slots for the already signed DL (Delta) deal?
One can only hope that Airbus would consider selling the A359s to Philippine Airlines as Airbus leased several older A343s to that airline for some time, and that the aircraft manufacturer brought in an A350-900 to Manila last May for a demonstration for the country's largest carriers. But, I wouldn't be surprised if Delta got the seven either. So, we'll just wait on Airbus to see which airline they allocated the seven to.

If, indeed, Airbus allocated the seven A359s to Philippine Airlines, that would mean the airline will finally join the rest of Southeast Asia in acquiring newer, more advanced long-haul aircraft (to the likes of Thai Airways, Singapore Airlines, Royal Brunei, and Vietnam Airlines).
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 10:13 PM   #1984
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From last June, this may provide a good hint on where Philippine Airlines will go after the A340.

Philippine Airlines Favours A350 to Replace A340 Fleet
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Philippine Airlines has revealed that the Airbus A350 aircraft is the leading contender as the replacement for its ageing fleet of Airbus A340-300 aircraft. The news comes following the recent stop that was made by the A350 XWB in Manila last month as part of a global sales tour.

Philippine Airlines has been considering the Boeing 787-9 and Airbus A350-900 as possible replacements for the A340 fleet, which currently range from thirteen to sixteen years of age. The Lucio Tan Group is currently in the process of completing a new widebody fleet program for Philippine Airlines that will likely see the A340 aircraft retired from the fleet in 2018.

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According to Bautista*, the new-generation widebody aircraft would be needed for delivery in 2017 and 2018. Although Philippine Airlines needs at least four to replace the entire fleet of A340 aircraft, acquiring six would provide an opportunity for PAL to expand its long-haul network to new cities in North America and Europe. In addition, it would have the option of boosting frequencies to any of its existing destinations, where demand is strong.
* - Jaime Bautista, CEO of Philippine Airlines

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I would be surprised if these delivery slots go to Philippine Airlines. Are they in the financial position to buy these expensive slots right now?

There's always talk about the large discounts get, but if Airbus, or Boeing for that matter have to pay other airlines to open up slots they won't sell them on for bargain prices.

If Philippine Airlines goes for the A350 it will probably for later delivery slots, and not many are available before 2020.
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I would be surprised if these delivery slots go to Philippine Airlines. Are they in the financial position to buy these expensive slots right now?

There's always talk about the large discounts get, but if Airbus, or Boeing for that matter have to pay other airlines to open up slots they won't sell them on for bargain prices.

If Philippine Airlines goes for the A350 it will probably for later delivery slots, and not many are available before 2020.
I have the same opinion. I don't think Airbus would do it if it's only an order for 7 frames, it's more likely a part of a large order. It might be for one of the airlines who have placed a quite large order recently (the Delta order and the waiting-to-be firmed Garuda order)or for an upcoming large order(the Emirates order probably).
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Another upcoming top-up order (for 8 a350-900). Iberia has already firmed up 8 options for the a350-900 (out of the 32 it has) last year. After the firm-up, Iberia will have 16 a350-900s on order and will still be left with 16 options (and 12 other options for the 787-9).

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International Airlines Group (IAG), parent of British Airways, Iberia and Vueling, plans to convert up to five Airbus A330-200 and eight A350-900 options into orders for Iberia as well as open new long-haul routes.

In August 2014, IAG ordered eight A330-200s, to be delivered this year and next, along with eight A350-900s for delivery from 2018-2020.

The company hopes to open new long-haul routes in 2016 and 2017, which will include new territories such as a return to Japan or Qatar. Possible destinations include Tokyo, Doha (Qatar), Johannesburg, Toronto, Guadalajara, Managua, San Juan de Puerto Rico, Brasilia and Asunciσn. The new destinations will be announced before the end of the year, following profitability studies.

In this year’s second quarter, Iberia more than tripled its operating profit to €51 million ($57 million).

“This announcement is a confirmation of our commitment to global growth, though always under the premise that sustained profitability is the key criteria,” Iberia executive chairman Luis Gallego said.

Since April 2014, when Iberia launched its Plan de Futuro cost-cutting plan and reached new agreements with labor unions, the IAG subsidiary has launched 30 new routes to 22 new destinations. It currently serves 119 destinations in 43 countries with a fleet of almost 130 aircraft.

Last year Iberia posted its first operating profit in six years.

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Those 787 options (I believe those even were just secured delivery slots) were taken up before IAG decided to keep Iberia an 100% Airbus airline. therefore I doubt that we will see the 787 Iberia colors, unless they want a smaller plane then the A359 to replace the A332s in the future when they will have to be replaced. But then we will already be talking about 787 NGs and A350 neo's, there's no need to order those right now if they find these A332s still efficient enough. IAG will likely be using these 787 slots for BA instead, nothing lost for Boeing.


Speaking of competition, it won't be long before the A350 backlog will be bigger in numbers then the 787 backlog. The A350 now stands at 776, the 787 at 791. Without new orders the A350 backlog should surpass the 787 during September for the 1st time ever. It might even be earlier if the Aeroflot 787 was formally cancelled at the end of last month, we should know tomorrow.
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For sure that will happen this year, I'm wondering if the total number of orders will, at some point in time. Not very likely to happen (but not impossible) as the 787 came more than 3 years ahead of the a350. Anyway, the numbers will not differ very much and both airplanes are already doing really well in terms of sales.
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The success of the A350-1000 will be key if the A350 wants to catch up with the 787 in terms of total orders. If that version becomes the most popular to replace the 777-300ER it could come close.

The current lack of orders for the A350-1000 could be misleading, it might see much more orders over the next few years as airlines decide on the future replacement of their 777-300ERs. It will be a competition between the A350-1000 and the 777X. If the A350 comes up victorious it might catch up to the 787.

Having said that, there will also be a large A330 market to be replaced during the same period. The 787 could see another large order rush because of this, even if the A330neo and A350 will also get their fair share in this market.
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Airbus has announced the IAG / Iberia order for 8 A350-900s (+A332s and A320neo's, 31 planes in total)

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...isle-aircraft/


With the Singapore cancelation of 7 A350-900s and the earlier order for 1 A350 by ALC this brings the net order total in 2015 so far to 2.

Not the biggest year so far in terms of orders, who knows what the last half of the years brings (Airbus always has 13 months in the year )
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Finnair Examines New Layer of China Routes as A350 Fleet Arrives
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Finnair Oyj is looking at adding routes to Chinese cities not currently connected to Europe as it takes delivery of the region’s newest wide-body jet fleet.

Finnair, which will become the first European carrier to deploy the Airbus Group SE A350 in October, is “not that concerned” about recent economic turmoil in China, Chief Executive Officer Pekka Vauramo said in an interview.

“We really feel being a first mover has benefits,” he said. “There are some mega-cities there where we could add frequencies. We could also look into cities in China or South Korea that don’t have many connections, or don’t have any.”

Of Finnair’s first five A350 destinations, three -- Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong -- are in China, alongside Bangkok and Singapore. The carrier will take delivery of 19 of the twin-engine jets through 2023 to add capacity and replace seven four-engine Airbus A340s used on intercontinental trips.
Vauramo, who joined as CEO two years ago from Finnish cranemaker Cargotec Oyj, said Northeast Asia remains Finnair’s “sweet-spot” even after the market suffered setbacks including the Japanese earthquake, curbs on flights through Siberian airspace, a weakening yen and now the devaluation of the yuan.

The carrier’s strategy centers on establishing Helsinki as a bridge to northeast Asia from Europe, exploiting its position on the shortest great-circle routes between the regions. The CEO, based in Hong Kong before joining Finnair, said the network is sufficiently diverse to avoid over-exposure to China.

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“We are of course in many different markets in Asia and that’s one part of how we can manage this,” he said. “If we look at developments in China, developments in Japan, there are some differences in how these economies develop -- and South Korea. And I would say southern China, of which Hong Kong is a part, in a way has its own economy.”

Finnair’s A350-900s will be fitted with 297 seats, as many as 40 more than its existing long-haul models, and will burn upwards of 40 percent less fuel. They’ll all be equipped with wireless connections as part of a 30 million-euro ($33 million) project to fit the airline’s entire Airbus fleet with Wi-Fi.

Vauramo is hiring 130 flight attendants, the first cabin crew additions since 2007, as he takes the new aircraft and seeks to double Asian traffic by 2020 from the 2010 level.
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Given that the operators in question are already operating 77Ws, I would have to think the 77X would be the prime candidate to replace them. There's probably enough commonality to make that the way to go.

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The success of the A350-1000 will be key if the A350 wants to catch up with the 787 in terms of total orders. If that version becomes the most popular to replace the 777-300ER it could come close.

The current lack of orders for the A350-1000 could be misleading, it might see much more orders over the next few years as airlines decide on the future replacement of their 777-300ERs. It will be a competition between the A350-1000 and the 777X. If the A350 comes up victorious it might catch up to the 787.

Having said that, there will also be a large A330 market to be replaced during the same period. The 787 could see another large order rush because of this, even if the A330neo and A350 will also get their fair share in this market.
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in terms of range A350 cannot catch up with B777X B777-8X range 8,700 nmi
(16,112 km, 10,012 mi) B777-9X 7,600 nmi
(14,075 km, 8,746 mi) and A350-900 14,350 km (7,750 nmi) A350-1000 14,800 km (7,990 nmi)
B777X is the Winner
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in terms of range A350 cannot catch up with B777X B777-8X range 8,700 nmi
(16,112 km, 10,012 mi) B777-9X 7,600 nmi
(14,075 km, 8,746 mi) and A350-900 14,350 km (7,750 nmi) A350-1000 14,800 km (7,990 nmi)
B777X is the Winner
Apples and oranges -a better comparison would be the Airbus A380 and the Boeing 777X (since it's clear the 747's days are numbered).

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Apples and oranges -a better comparison would be the Airbus A380 and the Boeing 777X (since it's clear the 747's days are numbered).
I am just comparing A350 with B777X Single deck Aircrafts not with B777 and A380 since you said B747 is still Queen of the Skies and will remain this title with B747 Family
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Wow....Airbus has begun assembling wings for the first A350-1000 at Broughton, North Wales and it features a wing span similar to that of the A350-900, it is 32m-long A350 XWB wing.

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