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Old October 14th, 2015, 08:46 AM   #2041
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interesting comparison

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Old October 14th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #2042
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Old October 14th, 2015, 03:40 PM   #2043
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It'll be interesting to see what Emirates does in regards to a possible A350XWB order at the upcoming Dubai Air Show just under a month from now. Is it possible that EK is contemplating a big A350XWB order, including the ULR version to non-stop flights to South America? Or will they favor commonality and order the 777-8 instead for these long flights to South America from Dubai?
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Old October 14th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #2044
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Like I ssaid in the A380 thread Emirates are running out of terminal space given their current growth rate and really need to see big plans for the Dubai Airshow airport ( DWC) itself. So I expect this particular show to be about the airport as much as the planes.

Otherwise more orders are pointless as the current airport will be heaving with the planes they already have on order or in the fleet.
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Old October 14th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #2045
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can't wait to see this in BKK


FINNAIR A350-900XWB by Rami Khanna-Prade, on Flickr


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Old October 14th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #2046
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It'll be interesting to see what Emirates does in regards to a possible A350XWB order at the upcoming Dubai Air Show just under a month from now. Is it possible that EK is contemplating a big A350XWB order, including the ULR version to non-stop flights to South America? Or will they favor commonality and order the 777-8 instead for these long flights to South America from Dubai?
EK is looking primarily at planes for shorter, regional routes. In that sense the launch of the A350-900ULR won't have an effect the choice they will make.

It's also not clear if the A350-900ULR will actually be that interesting for them. They want a full payload on such ultra-long haul distances. SIA will use a very low density premium cabin on their ULR flights, something which is not an option for Emirates. They want the everything, a standard 4 class cabin, full cargo capacity, and good Hot & High performance. They will use the higher MTOW of the 777-8 to the fullest.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 05:32 AM   #2047
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I found Production list of A350 and yes Cathay pacific is getting New livery as it says MSN 29 ''New Livery'' https://sites.google.com/site/a350xw...roduction-list
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Old October 15th, 2015, 06:08 AM   #2048
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It's also not clear if the A350-900ULR will actually be that interesting for them. They want a full payload on such ultra-long haul distances. SIA will use a very low density premium cabin on their ULR flights, something which is not an option for Emirates. They want the everything, a standard 4 class cabin, full cargo capacity, and good Hot & High performance. They will use the higher MTOW of the 777-8 to the fullest.
I think in the end, EK won't get the A350XWB-900ULR. They would rather get the 777-8 for the new non-stop flights to South America, especially given the commonality between the 777-8 and the 115 777-9's EK already ordered.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #2049
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EK is looking primarily at planes for shorter, regional routes. In that sense the launch of the A350-900ULR won't have an effect the choice they will make.

It's also not clear if the A350-900ULR will actually be that interesting for them. They want a full payload on such ultra-long haul distances. SIA will use a very low density premium cabin on their ULR flights, something which is not an option for Emirates. They want the everything, a standard 4 class cabin, full cargo capacity, and good Hot & High performance. They will use the higher MTOW of the 777-8 to the fullest.
I think the A350-900ULR is too small for EK considering their business model. The only reason why they might be interested is if they use the aircraft to test/open new south american routes especially given the earlier EIS of the A350-900ULR (they might have some time to test the routes with the A350-900ULR then upgauge to the 777-8X if there is demand).

Speaking of payload, with the higher MTOW, I believe the A350-900ULR will only have a minimal payload restriction compared the standard version (considering regular conditions, I have no idea how it will perform with Hot & High Altitude conditions). And in terms of range, the 777-8X (with the reduced final specs) and the A350-900ULR have exactly the same range (8700nm) making them the closest competitors.

The A350-900ULR might make sense for many ultra long haul routes (expect for Emirates as I mentioned above) because those routes are usually not so thick (justifying the smaller capacity compared to 777-8X) and with higher premium seats demand than other long-haul routes as the main target customers are business travelers who want to get to their destinations as fast as possible (meaning slightly reduced payload might be alright).
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Old October 17th, 2015, 07:15 AM   #2050
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MSN19 2nd A359 for Finnair initial engine run:

First engine run msn19 F-WZFN 16/10/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN33 for Qatar:

Msn33 15/10/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN26 1st A359 for Singapore Airlines was moved to tent for rest of re-work and cabin furbishing:

Msn26 F-WZFU 14/10/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Line of A359s undergoing re-work:

Flightline 14/10/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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MSN21 A7-ALI for Qatar
MSN28 OH-LWF for Finnair
MSN25 A7-ALJ for Qatar
MSN26 9V-SMA for Singapore Airlines
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Old October 17th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #2051
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How come so many early build A350s are being re worked and how much is Airbus losing in doing re work on early build A350s?
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Old October 18th, 2015, 02:40 AM   #2052
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Not sure Airbus will be left with any "Terrible Teens" like Boeing still are with their 787 MSN c.11-19 hulls which still ain't flying 5 years later.

Reworking is fine within limits....not serial numbers 20-30+ though. I'd say they will all be accepted for delivery which is the important thing.

Boeing have had €1bn worth of birds parked up for 5 years already. More on that story and on reworks here

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ht-dreamliners
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Old October 18th, 2015, 04:17 AM   #2053
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Re-work of early frames isn't something unusual. The matter is how long it takes to re-work these frames.

First production set (LN7-19) of B787-8 need around 12 months of re-work, 2nd (LN20-29) needed around 7-8 months and 3rd (LN30-39) 4-6 months depended on pace. In comparison, 3rd 789 test frame was re-worked during 4 months, first two test frames needed 5 months of re-work. That's pretty crazy if you think that LN6 ZA006 (6th 788 test frame) needed 24 months of re-work before delivery to VIP customer.

Boeing needed to re-work all frames from LN7 up to LN66, so they choose to deliver more frames (which needed less re-work) than filling up modification center for 2 years with only 12 frames. In that time they delivered ~40 frames instead 12. But waiting period for terrible teens became so long, that airlines could get better frames faster, that's why these frames were dropped.

Early A359 frames doesn't need so much time in re-work, they are being re-worked and delivered much faster. But re-work pace is different to met customer needs, so re-work time is different for each A359 early frame. 3rd production set need probably less work than 2nd set.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 07:42 AM   #2054
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Funny coincidence: With SQ's top-up order, the a350 program now has exactly 787 firm orders lol
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Old October 20th, 2015, 09:05 AM   #2055
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How many orders had A350XWB
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Old October 20th, 2015, 11:20 AM   #2056
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787, see the post above yours.



But soon it will be more, reported today by Aviation Daily.

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China Eastern Close To Ordering 20 A350-900s

China Eastern Airlines is close to ordering 20 Airbus A350-900s, as the manufacturer shifts its marketing effort in China toward that type
http://aviationweek.com/aviation-daily (full article behind pay-wall)


Airbus should be pleased with this, especially if it will be firmed up this year. The orders are not coming in that fast so far this year. And Emirates is not expected anymore to make a decision this year between the 787 and the A350. They need orders like this to keep the investors happy. Even with the program being sold out until the end of the decade, they will notice that the 787 has been picking up more orders recently.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:06 AM   #2057
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Malaysia Airlines To Replace London A380s with A350s

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Malaysia Airlines Berhad (MAB) plans to deploy Airbus A350-900s on the twice-daily Kuala Lumpur-London route currently operated by Airbus A380s starting in the fourth quarter of 2017.

According to a senior MAB official, the airline has experienced extreme difficulty filling the A380s, even in economy class.

“Passenger load on the morning flight is not good while that on the night flight is better but still not good enough as the yield is low,” the official said.

MAB has signed a long-term lease for four Airbus A350-900s and options for two more, along with two Airbus A330-900neos. Schedules call for delivery of the A350s, powered by Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines, in the fourth quarter of 2017 and second quarter of 2018.

MAB has yet to finalize plans for the use of its A380s after the four A350s go into operation. From a fleet of six, four now fly on the London route while two sit idle. MAB’s A380s seat eight in first class, 66 in business class and 420 in economy.
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And Emirates is not expected anymore to make a decision this year between the 787 and the A350
A350-1000 and 787-10 variants only....and neither has flown yet with the decisive factor the 'hot' tests no sooner than next summer.

On paper the A350-1000 looks much much better on a fully loaded hot and low takeoff from Dubai than the 787-10
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From what I've read in the media they don't seem to be looking at the A350-1000, just the A350-900.

They don't need the size of the A350-1000 for the regional missions that they are buying these planes for.

The competition between the A350-900 and 787-10 on regional missions is pretty close, even with the hot circumstances in Dubai.
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