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Old August 1st, 2013, 10:01 AM   #981
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I wonder why aircrafts don't have larger windows. Wouldn't that make the plane lighter?
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Old August 1st, 2013, 10:09 AM   #982
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I wonder why aircrafts don't have larger windows. Wouldn't that make the plane lighter?
The opposite is true. The larger the window, the more you need to reinforce the area around the hole. Windows also weigh much more than aluminium and CFRP.

Therefore larger windows make the plane heavier.

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I'm sure. Almost 2 inches taller is quite a bit when we are talking aircraft windows.
I doubt most people would notice.

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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:06 AM   #983
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I doubt most people would notice.
Well I beg to differ.

The point I was trying to make was that the 787 & A350's window sizes aren't practically the same size. In aircraft window terms, 2 inches is quite a lot.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:41 AM   #984
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On the other hand, I've never been on an airplane and thought "I wish the windows had more height" while on several occasions I have thought "I wish the windows had more width".
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:53 AM   #985
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Well I beg to differ.

The point I was trying to make was that the 787 & A350's window sizes aren't practically the same size. In aircraft window terms, 2 inches is quite a lot.
The larger size is nice to have. It's not a deal breaker. I can't see people choosing to fly the 787 over the A350 over the formers slightly bigger windows.

Most of the flying public don't notice or care about aircraft type anyway.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:57 AM   #986
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What might be more interesting will be conventional window shades, which will continue on the A350 versus the 787's electronically controlled ones.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:01 PM   #987
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What might be more interesting will be conventional window shades, which will continue on the A350 versus the 787's electronically controlled ones.
I think the 787 window shades are a gimic. In strong sunlight they are useless.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:01 PM   #988
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The larger size is nice to have. It's not a deal breaker. I can't see people choosing to fly the 787 over the A350 over the formers slightly bigger windows.

Most of the flying public don't notice or care about aircraft type anyway.
In all honesty it's the taller pax that will notice and benefit from the larger windows because they will be higher.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:17 PM   #989
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In all honesty it's the taller pax that will notice and benefit from the larger windows because they will be higher.
Taller pax are more concered about legroom than window size I can assure you.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:51 PM   #990
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I'm sure. Almost 2 inches taller is quite a bit when we are talking aircraft windows.
Indeed, but it is worth remembering that the human field of vision is horizontally biased; and that whilst the larger surface area will increase light into the cabin which will create better ambience, more height in comparison to width will make the windows appear narrower, which is not an inherently good thing, as the narrowness of airliner windows is cited as one of the reasons cabins can feel so claustrophobic.

If it was a two inch difference in width, I think it would be incredibly hard for people not to notice, and I think a much wider window size would be positively received by most people as it is more in tune with how people actually see. Though I don't think anyone is going to notice the slight additional width of the A350 windows.

The only commercial airliner cabin I can think of that had windows that compliments a natural field of vision was the comet 4 with its oval shaped windows.

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Old August 1st, 2013, 03:11 PM   #991
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On long-haul flights, all the windows are closed anyway as people need the darkness to see the screens. A bigger window that is closed is still a closed window!
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Old August 1st, 2013, 04:26 PM   #992
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I was thinking the same thing, besides only window seat can enjoy a window view, that is only a fraction of the passengers, personally I don't care how big they are, most of the flight I spend it trying to get some rest, watching o movie, working on my laptop, and ocassionally looking out the window.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 08:33 PM   #993
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Heh, looking out of the window is the only part of flying I actually enjoy. Guess it's why I don't fly that often!
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 11:13 AM   #994
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I was thinking the same thing, besides only window seat can enjoy a window view, that is only a fraction of the passengers, personally I don't care how big they are, most of the flight I spend it trying to get some rest, watching o movie, working on my laptop, and ocassionally looking out the window.
Well actually, the bigger the window, the easier it is for people who are not sitting in a window seat to see outside.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 12:34 PM   #995
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the easier it is for people who are not sitting in a window seat to see outside.
Or more sunlight can fill the cabin, which is nice too. But as others already pointed out, many people close the windows during cruise.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 01:48 PM   #996
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Or more sunlight can fill the cabin, which is nice too. But as others already pointed out, many people close the windows during cruise.
True. I don't often close my window shade though, I like to watch the world go by.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 10:01 PM   #997
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On long-haul flights, all the windows are closed anyway as people need the darkness to see the screens. A bigger window that is closed is still a closed window!
I've been on plenty of long haul flights and never needed the windows closed to see the screen
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 08:22 AM   #998
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Let's not forget that the 787 windows can't be closed, they can be dimmed but not closed. And when they are fully dimmed they are still a bit transparent so you can still look out of the window even though it's not the same as a clear window.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 03:57 PM   #999
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MSN3 on the move again.



Engines will be installed later this month.
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The second A350 flight test aircraft (MSN003) has been spotted being moved around the flightline.

http://A350Production.net/2013/08/03sp/
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