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Old September 7th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #1041
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They are offering it in a 10 abreast layout, but it is extremely tight. Air Asia X is going to have it in this layout.
I don't quite understand why A350 wasn't made a few inches wider. At a comfy 10 abreast, it'd have made 777 obsolete. But despite being almost 25 y.o., the plane would sill be a match for the A350. I know there must be a reason for it, but I'd love to know why Airbus did it.
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Old September 7th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #1042
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Because a wider body wouldn't fit in the Beluga.

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Old September 7th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #1043
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I don't quite understand why A350 wasn't made a few inches wider. At a comfy 10 abreast, it'd have made 777 obsolete. But despite being almost 25 y.o., the plane would sill be a match for the A350. I know there must be a reason for it, but I'd love to know why Airbus did it.
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Because a wider body wouldn't fit in the Beluga.
The main reason is because Airbus always intended to position the A350 between the 777 and the 787.

The whole ethos of the A350 programme was to use one Airbus aircraft to compete with two Boeings.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #1044
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I don't quite understand why A350 wasn't made a few inches wider. At a comfy 10 abreast, it'd have made 777 obsolete. But despite being almost 25 y.o., the plane would sill be a match for the A350. I know there must be a reason for it, but I'd love to know why Airbus did it.
This is not true at all. The earliest models of the Boeing 777 have already been made obsolete by the Airbus A330. On similar payloads, the A350-1000 will outclass the B777-300ER in efficiency, which is why Boeing is developing the 777X for a standard 10-abreast Economy (made possible by thinner walls) in the first place.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 12:14 AM   #1045
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Old September 12th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #1046
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Old September 12th, 2013, 04:42 AM   #1047
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Old September 13th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #1048
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Bloomberg reports that Lufthansa is about to place an order for the A350-900, although it's not yet officially confirmed by Lufthansa or Airbus.

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Lufthansa Said to See Boeing-Airbus Split on Jet Order

Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) will split an order for about 50 wide-body aircraft between Airbus SAS and Boeing Co. (BA), a purchase with a list value of at least $14 billion, people with knowledge of the matter said.

The twin-engine jets will be Boeing’s new 777-9X, which is due to fly by decade’s end, and Airbus’s A350-900, said two of the people, who asked not to be identified because the details aren’t yet public. An announcement may come as soon as next week, the people said.

Boeing jets will make up a majority of the order, said one of the people.
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Airbus will of course be happy out the order, but still won't too pleased if Boeing actually chooses the 777-9X over the A350-1000. We should know in a few weeks if the sources are actually correct.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #1049
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Great news.

A year ago people where saying the A350 wasn't selling. One year later, another 120 (or thereabouts) in the orderbook.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #1050
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To be fair, the A350 was not really selling in 2011 and 2012. In 2011 Airbus only secured 4 new orders and in 2012 it was 34, with 1 big order for 20 -900s in December. Boeing secured 277 new orders for the 777 and 95 new orders for the 787 (not counting the cancellations) in the same period. It was not that strange for people say that it wasn't selling. Airbus did really need the recent upswing in orders, even just as a message to the aviation enthusiasts or the share-holders.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:23 PM   #1051
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You forget the 2011 and 2012 A330 sales, I think it's fair to include them too.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #1052
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Which were also much better then the A350 sales. More shockingly, Boeing even sold more 767s in that 2 year period then Airbus sold A350s.

Just imagine what people would have said it this year would also be a slow year on the sales front. If Boeing with all the problems this year would have sold significantly more 787s then Airbus would have sold A350s even with an up to now rather smoothly progressing test program. That would have been a perfect heaven for the Boeing fanboys.

But at the end of the day it could have only been a temporary sales dip. Such a big initial sales success could only be continued at some point, only if Airbus would have made a complete mess of the plane it would have completely stopped. And it would have to be an over the top huge complete mess to let that happen, way worse then all the issues that the 787 program has seen. The 787 program might have been the main reason why airlines have waited a bit with the A350 to see how it was progressing before starting to place orders again.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #1053
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The 787 program might have been the main reason why airlines have waited a bit with the A350 to see how it was progressing before starting to place orders again.
This, plus the A350 program had its own delays. Orders picked up again after MSN1 entered final assembly last year.
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Old September 14th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #1054
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To be fair, the A350 was not really selling in 2011 and 2012. In 2011 Airbus only secured 4 new orders and in 2012 it was 34, with 1 big order for 20 -900s in December. Boeing secured 277 new orders for the 777 and 95 new orders for the 787 (not counting the cancellations) in the same period. It was not that strange for people say that it wasn't selling. Airbus did really need the recent upswing in orders, even just as a message to the aviation enthusiasts or the share-holders.
Well technically Airbus was getting all the A320NEO orders and was probably focused on the NEO since the A350 was in the developmental/early Building stages. Well also now that they actually had a few test flights now, we will see the orders to start picking up. I am surprised that the A350 picked up more orders when Boeing was dealing with the 787 battery incident.
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ANA Close to Decision on 25 Airbus, Boeing Aircraft Order
ANA Holdings Inc. (9202), the Japanese carrier whose fleet is dominated by Boeing Co. (BA) aircraft, will decide soon on placing an order for 25 jets, pitting the newest wide-body models of Airbus SAS and Boeing against each other.
“It’s getting close to the time we need to make a decision,” President Shinichiro Ito said an interview in Tokyo, where Japan’s biggest airline is based. He declined to elaborate on when the order will be made. “The key will be what plane matches our needs best.”
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Shinichiro Ito, president and chief executive officer of ANA Holdings Inc. (ANA), speaks during an interview in Tokyo on Sept. 4, 2013. Photographer: Yuriko Nakao/Bloomberg
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A Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner aircraft operated by All Nippon Airways Co. (ANA), rear, is parked as other ANA aircraft taxies at Haneda Airport in Tokyo. Photographer: Tomohiro Ohsumi/Bloomberg
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“It’s getting close to the time we need to make a decision,” said Shinichiro Ito, president and chief executive officer of ANA Holdings Inc. (ANA). Photographer: Yuriko Nakao/Bloomberg
ANA choosing Airbus would mark a triumph for the European manufacturer in a country where Boeing has enjoyed near monopoly for decades. The ties between the U.S. planemaker and Japanese carriers were reinforced as ANA and Japan Airlines Co. (9201) became the first operators of the carbon-composite Boeing 787 Dreamliner, when commercial flights started two years back.
The new planes ANA will order are to replace aging wide-body aircraft, used in international flights, Ito said in the Sept. 4 interview. ANA, the biggest operator of Airbus planes in the country with 17 aircraft, will decide between the yet-to-be-made 777X model and Airbus A350.
Boeing is marketing the 777X as a successor to its 777 jet and Chief Executive Officer James McNerney has said the planemaker expects to have the aircraft in service around the end of the decade.
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Airbus’s A350 had its maiden flight earlier this year and the first variant is set to enter service by in 2014, with the largest model slated for late 2017. The planemaker has said the A350-1000 will offer 25 percent better operating economics than Boeing’s 777-300ER.
Toulouse, France-based Airbus has been gaining market share in Japan recently as low-cost carriers lease its planes. The aircraft maker has yet to sell wide-body jets to either ANA or Japan Airlines.
ANA operates 17 Airbus single-aisle A320s, which the Japanese carrier started flying in 1991. The airline has a fleet of 236 planes, with 197 of them being Boeing aircraft.
Japan Airlines, which has never bought a new Airbus plane, has a fleet of 214 aircraft.
Japanese carriers flew 43 Airbus jets at the end of 2012, up from 36 a year earlier, according to the Japan Aircraft Development Corp. ANA and its affiliate Peach Aviation Ltd. are the main carriers using the European planemaker’s aircraft. In comparison, domestic carriers had 409 Boeing planes, excluding MD-90s, up from 397.
Skymark Airlines Inc. (9204), Japan’s biggest discount carrier, is currently the only Japanese airline that has agreed to buy Airbus wide-body planes, with an order for six A380s. The airline is due to start operation of its first double-decker next year.
Airbus is in discussions with Japan’s two biggest carriers about an order for its A350-1000, three people familiar with the talks said in May.
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Very interesting article! I do love Boeing but I would be very glad to see ANA and JAL order some Airbus wide-body planes. What I hope is that if they decide to go for the a350, they might consider the a380 at some point. Sorry, it's a bit off-topic but I think Airbus really needs some additional "big" operators to make the A380 sustainable.
Could someone who knows abt those japanese carriers background tell me the reason why they have been very very loyal to Boeing?
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Could someone who knows abt those japanese carriers background tell me the reason why they have been very very loyal to Boeing?
To put it bluntly, Japan is a US lapdog.
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To put it bluntly, Japan is a US lapdog.
Well Boeing has a lot of partners in Japan that supply parts to them. I read somewhere that 20% of the 787 is made in Japan and that they will probably end up building even more of the 777X once it is started to be built. They know the products they help build and they know it is reliable so they order the planes. I don't know how many companies supply Airbus. I but I do agree. Airbus needs to market themselves aggressively in Japan. But it is a matter of time before we start to see WB orders being spilt between the companies.
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Earlier this year the news & analyst reports were all saying that JAL and ANA would order the A350. Now the articles are more and more leaning towards Boeing that will again get the Japanese orders. It's said that the Boeing executives have given the Japan sales division free range just to get these orders. In other words, neither Boeing or Airbus is going to make any money from this with all the discounts that will be given. Both manufactures are doing everything to secure these orders.
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Old September 14th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #1059
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I don't know how many companies supply Airbus. I but I do agree. Airbus needs to market themselves aggressively in Japan. But it is a matter of time before we start to see WB orders being spilt between the companies.
Airbus and Boeing share a lot of the same suppliers since the products they both need are extremely specialised and only a few companies make them.

As everyone knows, Airbus only makes its major structural sections in Europe whilst the current 777 has a tail and many other parts made in Japan, the 787 wing is made in Japan and the 777X wing will most likely be made in Japan. Airbus also has a lot of Japanese suppliers (they have been deliberately increasing them) but mostly for smaller items such as floorbeams.
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Indeed. Rolls-Royce recruited Mitsubishi to help build the A350-1000 engine for example.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...prospects.html
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