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Old September 15th, 2013, 12:47 PM   #1061
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Old September 15th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #1062
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Earlier this year the news & analyst reports were all saying that JAL and ANA would order the A350. Now the articles are more and more leaning towards Boeing that will again get the Japanese orders. It's said that the Boeing executives have given the Japan sales division free range just to get these orders. In other words, neither Boeing or Airbus is going to make any money from this with all the discounts that will be given. Both manufactures are doing everything to secure these orders.
I'm not so sure about Airbus on that though, they are better known for trying to make actual money during this kind of wars than Boeing, for example they've never really been interested in competing with Boeing to secure Ryanair orders
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Old September 15th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #1063
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I'm not so sure about Airbus on that though, they are better known for trying to make actual money during this kind of wars than Boeing, for example they've never really been interested in competing with Boeing to secure Ryanair orders
There's a big difference between a high profile order like a A350-1000 order from JAL or ANA and a big but still an "as cheap as Ryanair" order from Ryanair.

This is an order for which Airbus will do something extra. They know that even if it make them too much money now it will result in some profitable deals later on.
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Old September 16th, 2013, 03:28 PM   #1064
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Harbin Composite Manufacturing Centre delivers 1st major A350 part

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Airbus’ newest joint venture in China progresses well on A350 work packages

Harbin Hafei Airbus Composite Manufacturing Centre (HMC), a joint venture between Airbus and its Chinese partners, has started to deliver elevators for the Airbus A350 XWB programme. A ceremony was held today in Harbin for the delivery of the first ship set of elevators. The elevators manufactured at HMC are delivered to Spain-based Aernnova Aerospace (ANN), who will deliver them to the Airbus plant in Getafe, Spain, where they will be integrated into the A350 XWB horizontal tail plane. ANN is a major supplier of aerostructures to Airbus.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 12:29 PM   #1065
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Lufthansa has confirmed a 359 order today.

Hope they also order some for Austrian, Swiss, and Brussels.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #1066
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25 A359's!

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Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) ordered 59 wide-body aircraft from Boeing Co. (BA) and Airbus SAS, splitting the purchase valued at $19 billion as the German carrier phases out aging long-distance aircraft.

Lufthansa’s fleet renewal is part of an overhaul initiated under Chief Executive Officer Christoph Franz, who announced his surprise departure this week to join Swiss drugmaker Roche Holding AG next year. Photographer: Nadine Hutton/Bloomberg
The purchase, Lufthansa’s biggest to date, is for 34 Boeing 777-9X aircraft and 25 Airbus A350-900s, the Cologne-based airline said today. Deliveries of the A350s will start in 2016, while the first Boeing 777x will follow in 2020.
Lufthansa’s fleet renewal is part of an overhaul initiated under Chief Executive Officer Christoph Franz, who announced his surprise departure this week to join Swiss drugmaker Roche Holding AG next year. Lufthansa already unveiled the purchase of new narrow-body Airbus aircraft this year, bringing the total value of planes ordered this year to $31 billion, and the addition of the long-distance jets would help replace older Boeing 747-400 and Airbus A340-300 four-engine airliners.
“Less fuel consumption, less carbon dioxide emissions and less noise: the aircraft on order will enable us to make a quantum leap in efficiency,” Franz said, according to the statement. “Never in the history of Lufthansa have we made a bigger investment.”
The next 777, the world’s biggest twin-engine airliner, will feature new engines from General Electric Co. (GE) called GE-9X on the upgraded model and the largest wing ever on a Boeing plane to help improve performance. It will be able to seat more than 400 people, Boeing has said. Lufthansa has so far not flown the current 777 in its own passenger business and only uses the aircraft for cargo and its Swiss and Austrian subsidiaries.

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The carrier’s decision to also buy planes from Airbus, after it initially said it would rather pick a single-provider of long-haul jets, maintains Lufthansa’s position as the biggest airline customer for the Toulouse-based planemaker. The airline is also the largest European buyer of Airbus A380s with plans to build up a fleet of 19 super jumbos.
The company now flies some long-haul routes with four-engine Airbus A340-300s and A340-600s, a fuel-guzzling plane that Airbus stopped making as demand dried up. The carrier ordered 108 planes in May, including 100 Airbus A320 narrow-bodies, in a transaction with a catalog value of about $12.4 billion. Airlines typically buy at a discount.
Lufthansa will operate the B777-9X on routes including Munich to Shanghai and Frankfurt to Bangkok, while the A350-900 will be deployed on routes including Frankfurt to Vancouver.
Lufthansa is increasingly focusing on long-haul operations as it shifts much of its European and domestic flying to low-cost subsidiary Germanwings as the airline also seeks to shed about 3,500 jobs. The carrier reported second-quarter operating profit of 438 million euros ($538 million).
The German airline joins European competitors Air France-KLM and International Consolidated Airlines Group SA (IAG) in upgrading its wide-body fleet. Air France also opted to split its purchase of 50 large airlines evenly between Boeing and Airbus, and IAG unit British Airways began regular service with Boeing 787s this month as part of a fleet overhaul that will also involve A350s from Airbus.
The order announced today brings the total number of planes delivered from this year through 2025 to 295 units costing 36 billion euros at list prices.
Lufthansa has dropped 1.6 percent this year, the worst performance of a European airline on the 32-member Bloomberg World Airlines Index, which has advanced 16 percent. Air France-KLM (AF) has gained 1 percent, while IAG has soared 77 percent.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...us-boeing.html
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Old September 19th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #1067
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in addition, here's the link to the official Lufthansa press release: http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...icle/2588.html
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Old September 19th, 2013, 02:25 PM   #1068
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Great!

And here the press release by Airbus:

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Lufthansa, Airbus’ biggest airline customer, commits to up to 55 A350s

A350 key to modernising Lufthansa’s long-haul fleet

19 September 2013 Press Release

The Supervisory board of Lufthansa, Airbus’ biggest airline customer and operator, has decided to expand and modernise its long-haul fleet with a commitment for up to 55 A350-900 aircraft (25 firm and 30 options). Lufthansa also has the flexibility to convert some of the order to the larger A350-1000.



This landmark A350 order comes just six months after Lufthansa made the strategic decision to become an all-Airbus operator for its single-aisle fleet. So far in 2013, Airbus has won more firm orders from Lufthansa (125) in a single year than ever before. Taking all commitments (firm and options) into account the figure rises to 232 aircraft – one more than the 231 Airbus aircraft currently in operation with the Lufthansa Airline.

‘’The A350 XWB suits Lufthansa’s entire network regarding size and range, and will be key to modernising our fleet while significantly reducing operational costs and our environmental footprint,” said Nico Buchholz, Executive Vice President, Lufthansa Group Fleet Management. “These quiet and fuel-efficient aircraft will fit nicely into our existing Airbus fleet, and our passengers will be able to enjoy seamless service and comfort levels throughout our entire product range.”

“We are honoured that such a long-standing and prestigious customer as Lufthansa is coming back for more Airbus aircraft,” said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers. “The all-new A350 XWBs, will integrate very well into the Group’s existing Airbus fleet. From the A319 to the A380 size category, Lufthansa will benefit from latest technologies and efficiency levels, an unmatched wider cabin, operational flexibility and cost-savings – enhanced by the unique fleet commonality only Airbus offers.”

Lufthansa’s decision today underpins the Group’s status as Airbus’ largest airline customer and operator, with to date 535 aircraft ordered and 397 currently in operation within the Group. The latter include: 282 A320 Family, 42 A330s, 63 A340s, and 10 A380s. Lufthansa has recently announced an order for 100 A320 Family aircraft to switch its Single-Aisle Fleet in the 150-230 size category entirely to Airbus.

The A350 XWB (Xtra Wide-Body) is an all-new mid-size long range product line comprising three versions and seating between 270 and 350 passengers in typical three-class layouts. The new Family, whose fuselage cross-section is optimized to accommodate Airbus’ 18-inch economy seat-width for long range passenger comfort, will also bring a 25 percent step change in efficiency compared with existing aircraft in this size category. Scheduled for entry-into-service in 2014, the A350 XWB to date has already won 682 firm orders from 35 customers worldwide.



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Old September 20th, 2013, 01:47 AM   #1069
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This does not surprise me for the A350XWB-900 order. Lufthansa has a hard-worked fleet of A340-300's and those are now starting to rapidly age; it is highly time they buy its direct modern equivalent.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 02:25 AM   #1070
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Today's order takes the firm orders up to 707. British Airways should firm sometime next week (or shortly after) taking us up to 725 of which 143 will have been sold this year.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 08:37 AM   #1071
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Except that the Lufthansa order will only be firmed up later this year.

If there are no other firm orders or cancellations beforehand it will reach 700 orders exactly at the end of this month when BA firms up their order after the IAG shareholders meeting.



Anyway, Airbus took their widebody family on a special family flight.


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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:05 AM   #1075
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This does not surprise me for the A350XWB-900 order. Lufthansa has a hard-worked fleet of A340-300's and those are now starting to rapidly age; it is highly time they buy its direct modern equivalent.
I would love to know how much more efficient the A350s are compared to the A340s. I'd guess at least 25% or so given how even the 777s were far more efficient.
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I would love to know how much more efficient the A350s are compared to the A340s. I'd guess at least 25% or so given how even the 777s were far more efficient.
Given the much more modern jet Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines on the A350XWB, I expect about 25% lower fuel burn, too. Lufthansa needed to replace their A340-300 fleet within the next 5-8 years because these planes hard-worked on many international routes and even with Lufthansa Technik's excellent service facilities, the planes' airframe life is getting way up there.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 06:13 PM   #1077
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Given the much more modern jet Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines on the A350XWB, I expect about 25% lower fuel burn, too. Lufthansa needed to replace their A340-300 fleet within the next 5-8 years because these planes hard-worked on many international routes and even with Lufthansa Technik's excellent service facilities, the planes' airframe life is getting way up there.
According to GE, engines gain about a percent per year so that's almost bang on target. And then there's the CFRP fuselage. This plane would be insanely more efficient than the A340.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 10:06 AM   #1079
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Nice vid. The A330 is the best looking bird by far.
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British Airways's order for 18 A350-1000 is now firm.



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