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Old January 9th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #1221
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May be a silly question but what happens to these test planes after? Are they scrapped or are they sold ?
Some are sold to VIPs or to Airlines, and some are kept by the manufacturer for demonstrations, future testing, etc...
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Old January 9th, 2014, 08:13 AM   #1222
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If these frames aren't too far from technical specification, they are just refurbed and delivered to airlines. A350 test fleet should end in airlines/VIP hands, deals are probably secured since start of production.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 10:45 AM   #1223
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Airbus will keep at least 1 testbed, the others will be sold.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 02:47 AM   #1224
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Old January 13th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #1225
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Airbus removed the Kingfisher order from their books in December, reducing the backlog to 56 A350-800s. But with a net order total of 230 A359s and A3510s in 2013 it's not something Airbus is worried about.

At the press conference about the 2013 orders they said that they had been pushing the costumers away from the A358 to the bigger versions. This to be able to delay the launch of the smallest version until after the A350-1000 without having to disappoint the airlines that order the A358. And to give the engineers a bit more time to change the aircraft, in this case to make it slightly bigger to position it better against the 787-9. Time will tell if it's going to make a big difference. In the mean time this delay will give Airbus more time and resources for the development of the A350-1000, which is far more important for the A350 program.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #1226
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Interesting hearing about the -800 developments. I really think that this is the route they need to go down to deliver this segment rather than a A330 Neo.

I have heard 2 extra rows mentioned so that would mean:
787-9: 280 (3 class)
A350-800 [+2 rows]: 294 (3 class)

However, I would still love a more optimised smaller A350 based plane with a smaller wing which could compete better with the 787.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #1227
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In the meantime, Airbus successfully performed the ultimate load test of the A350 XWB’s wing in December 2013, applying loads up to 1.5 times higher than those the aircraft would ever encounter in its entire in-service life. At ultimate load, the A350 XWB wingtip deflection exceeds five metres.

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Old January 14th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #1228
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Qatar hybrid livery to feature on test A350



Airbus is to roll out its fourth A350 test-flight aircraft in a special hybrid livery based on the colour scheme of launch customer Qatar Airways.

The rear of the aircraft, MSN4, will carry Qatar Airways branding, including the Doha-based airline’s oryx logo on the vertical fin.

A source familiar with the plan states that the manufacturer’s A350 product scheme will be on the forward fuselage.

“It’s not the first time we’ve done this,” the source adds, pointing out that an A310 test aircraft was painted in the livery of Lufthansa and Swissair.

Qatar Airways is to take delivery of its first A350-900 before the end of this year.

Airbus has been expecting to fly MSN4 around February. The aircraft will be used for tests including noise analysis.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 03:59 AM   #1229
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Old January 15th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #1230
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In the meantime, Airbus successfully performed the ultimate load test of the A350 XWB’s wing in December 2013, applying loads up to 1.5 times higher than those the aircraft would ever encounter in its entire in-service life. At ultimate load, the A350 XWB wingtip deflection exceeds five metres.

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Do they still do the test where they actually break the wings? That looks and sounds spectacular. I am not sure which aircraft's test video I watched, but if I were to guess it must be the 777. I think it was supposed to break at 2 times the max load and it broke at 2.1 or something.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 08:59 PM   #1231
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Do they still do the test where they actually break the wings?
I have no idea, Airbus did not say anything about breaking the wings. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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That looks and sounds spectacular. I am not sure which aircraft's test video I watched, but if I were to guess it must be the 777. I think it was supposed to break at 2 times the max load and it broke at 2.1 or something.
The 777 I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2QoanZq2jE

The wing broke at 1.54 times the max load (1.5 is required for certification). The 777 wing was a bit overdesigned.

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Old January 15th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #1232
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Do they still do the test where they actually break the wings? That looks and sounds spectacular. I am not sure which aircraft's test video I watched, but if I were to guess it must be the 777. I think it was supposed to break at 2 times the max load and it broke at 2.1 or something.
The certification requirement for all planes is that the wing can withstand 1.5 times the maximum load. The 777 famously beat this by a large amount.

The reason Airbus are not deliberately breaking the wing is because it is carbon fibre. Carbon Fibre dust is dangerous to peoples health and cleaning up the hangar afterwards would be very expensive.

It got to 1.5, the test is passed.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #1233
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Old January 16th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #1234
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Does anybody know if the progress of the A350 has been filmed for Nat Geo or discovery. There is a program about the A380 but I would love to see one about this fine aircraft
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Old January 17th, 2014, 01:08 PM   #1235
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Close view of Flight deck of the Airbus A350 XWB .. Source

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Old January 17th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #1236
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Does anybody know if the progress of the A350 has been filmed for Nat Geo or discovery.
If I were a manager at Airbus, I would never allow those kind of silly pseudo-docu channels near my planes. Sorry, but 90% of the stuff coming out of these two channels, is just so primitive, plain stupid and full of superficial sensationlism.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 02:38 PM   #1237
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If I were a manager at Airbus, I would never allow those kind of silly pseudo-docu channels near my planes. Sorry, but 90% of the stuff coming out of these two channels, is just so primitive, plain stupid and full of superficial sensationlism.
But seeing we are not all engineers, scientists or savants... the question remains valid. And if you were a manager at Airbus, you would see the value in marketing, even though NatGeo is not your direct audience. Touch points are touch points and awareness can come from many sources. And why do some negative remarks always start with a sorry in English; are you really?

Google does not give any hits on A350 + National Geographic so I guess there is no program available yet.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #1238
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Old January 17th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #1239
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But seeing we are not all engineers, scientists or savants... the question remains valid. And if you were a manager at Airbus, you would see the value in marketing, even though NatGeo is not your direct audience. Touch points are touch points and awareness can come from many sources. And why do some negative remarks always start with a sorry in English; are you really?

Google does not give any hits on A350 + National Geographic so I guess there is no program available yet.
I agree actually, the production values on National Geographic docs are not very high. There tends to be a lot of sensationalism and superfluous flashy graphics. Most subjects seem rather dumbed down and sensationalised.

Certainly a lower standard that the BBC.

That said, the A380 documentary was actually rather good.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 01:22 PM   #1240
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Well Id say I'd be all for these programmes coming providing they wouldn't be projected until well later in the testing process.
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